藏南人的真实想法

nForce to Abotani: You cannot talk authoritatively about the NE as a whole. It is diverse and not all of them subscribe to your point of view.
nForce:你不能代表整个东北地区。东北是多元化的,并不是每个人都买你的观点。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:33:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: Yea and you can talk about it as a whole because you are an Indian?The umpteen freedom struggles in now7 out of 8 NE states should illustrate which side NE people bend towards particularly the Hill states i.e, not for Indians.
Abotani:对,但你却可以代表整个印度发言,就因为你是个印度人?8个邦中的7个都有争取自由的斗争,这可以告诉你东北地区尤其是山地邦的倾向:这里不是印度人的。
7/8是什么概念,已成燎原之势?看来轻轻推一下,东北诸邦就分裂鸟

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:34:00 +0800 CST  
三哥的文明、社会到了藏南同胞都摒弃的程度了,说好的文明古国在哪里。
看起来生活在山区的藏南同胞比印度那块次大陆的人更文明、现代化,好大一朵奇葩!现代社会小小奇迹。
藏南的社会发展比整个印度都发达

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:37:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: LOL,Comprehension issues at work again.I stated that the HDI of NE is due to it's egalitarian society and low population density.What that means is there are fewer people competing over the same resources and hence a higher amount of resources available per capita.You know lesser mouths to feed so more in everyone's plate.
Abotani:理解能力的问题又来了。我说了我们邦较高的人类发展指数是由于我们平等主义的社会,以及较小的人口密度。由于人口较少,每人平均的资源就较多。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:37:00 +0800 CST  
An important component of HDI is the quality of life,particularly social life.It is here that our egalitarian society devoid of many of the ills that plague India jumps ahead.Want to marry someone of your choice?In NE hill regions that is the norm but in India one risks death even on such a small matter.Want to marry yet can't pay the dowry?NE people-" what is dowry?"Indians-"Our son is well employed.Give us a dowry of 5 digits in dollars or 6 digits or maybe even millions.This is a tradition".You are a girl and want to study?NE-'the question doesn't arise at all.Go get educated'.Indian-"Learn to cook and wash clothes.Education is for men"And on and on...Sigh my fingers will get hurt
Somehow you try to construct as if these things are a virtue of Indian colonialism.That you "civilised" us ( irony for you lot are not really that civilised)Then you further make the mistake of assuming that the HDI we have is due to wealth or infrastructure available.Au contraire.
人类发展指数的一个重要分量是生活质量,尤其是社会生活。由于没有印度那些瘟疫般的社会痼疾,我们公平的社会在这方面远超印度。
想和自己的意中人结婚?在东北山地很正常;而在印度;这点事却变成了生死攸关的大事。
想出嫁却又出不起嫁妆?东北人:“什么是嫁妆”?印度人:“我儿子有个好工作,给我五位数六位数最好一百万美元的嫁妆,这是传统”。
你是个女孩你想上学?东北人:“这难道是个问题?去吧!” 印度人:“学做饭学洗衣服,受教育是男孩的事”。等等,等等。。。。。
如果悉数列举这些印度殖民地的优点,我打字的手指头该痛了。你以为你们“文明开化”了我们(你们这号人其实真的没那么文明),你要是以为我们的社会发展成果,是因为财富或者是基础建设,你们就更错了。
If wealth and physical development was all that took for a High HDI.Saudi Arabia and themid east oil monarchs and mullahs would have higher HDI than even western Europe. But then comprehension issues at work again.
如果财富或者物质的发展是人类发展指数HDI的全部的内容的话,那么,沙特阿拉伯和那些有石油的海湾君主国的HDI,甚至都会超过西欧国家。理解能力还是个问题!

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:38:00 +0800 CST  
藏南社会发展真的和现代的中国非常接近印度胡扯武器援助了
Syama Ayas: All of this despite Chinese supported armed insurgency in the region.
Syama Ayas:尽管这个地区有中国支持的武装斗争
Syama Ayas: (又是一堆链接和图片,试图证明中国支持东北地区的游击战,很无聊很可笑,不翻译了)
Abotani: Sure post some random pic and lie through your teeth. PRC never supported freedom fighters in NE.If it did NE would long have been independent.Even the Pic you posted talks about Pakistani support and has mindless ramblings with no substantiation on Chinese involvement.Talk about trolling and lying.
Even the help that came in 20th century was mostly from individuals in the west,mostly in form of moral support.Maybe some material support by western intel agencies after India sided in the soviet camp.
Abotani:网上随便搞来一些图片就据此公然撒谎。中国从未支持东北的自由斗士。否则,东北早就独立了。即使是你的图片,说的也是巴基斯坦的支持,然后胡言乱言,毫无根据地扯上中国。即便在20世纪得到过一些支持,那也是来自西方国家个人的道德支持。当印度全面倒入苏联阵营的时候,也有过少量的物质支持。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:38:00 +0800 CST  
The presence of Chinese manufactured arms is due to the fact that chinese arms are affordable and of good quality. Some elite units among them even have ISraeli,american and european origin arms.Somehow Indians like you don't see that as western support but chinese support.Talk about white slave mentality.The freedom fighters in NE don't even touch Indian manufactured arms like INSAS as they are too low quality for use in serious war.
有中国产的武器的出现,那是因为中国的武器又便宜质量又好。有些精英游击队甚至有以色列,美国,欧洲的武器。印度人不会把这些武器看成西方对他们的支持,却非要你相信中国武器的存在,就是中国的支持的证明。看看这种白奴心态!东北的自由战士之所以不碰印度产的武器如INSAS,因为在严肃的战斗中,印度武器太烂了。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:38:00 +0800 CST  
印度的万国牌武器,INSAS神油步枪

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:39:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani to Ayama Ayas: Sure,Where in my entire post did you see a personal attack.But in this same post I have quoted of yours I can see personal attacks and rants. So a hardcore freedom soldier who fights guerilla warfare isn't going to be bothered about the quality of his primary firearm on which his life and that of his squad depends?That we don't have population base of hundreds of millions of uneducated,malnourished who would throw away their lives for a few dollars makes the leaders of these armies extra careful when choosing their equipment.These groups even issues modern body armour and NVG and other related equipment to their regular cadres.Compared to Indian army which has crappy rifles that leak oil and sub standard make for 500 dollar "rifles" and of course no body armour for every Individual combatant but sharing the few armour pieces amongst a squad.:D
Abitani:你在我的帖子里的什么地方看到个人攻击?倒是我在你的帖子里可以找到个人攻击的胡言乱语。一个真正的自由斗士在游击战中,难道会对与自己生死攸关的主要武器的质量毫不介意?我们没有几亿未受教育又营养不良的人口,这些士兵生命的价值,甚至不足以让军队高层考虑选择贵一点的武器。这些游击队甚至装备了现代的防弹衣,夜视镜以及相关的设备。相比之下,印度军队只能用500美元一支的漏油破枪,一个排合用几件防弹衣。
It is not my fault that you take my statement of statistically verifiable facts as "racism" just because your ego can't take it
你把统计学上可证实的数据当成“种族歧视”,那我也没有办法。是你自己的自尊心受不了。(印度网友抗议IQ82——译者)
Not everyone has Indian work efficiency you know-Taking multiple years and tenders to select basic equipment and then cancelling the tenders to float other ones for the same requirement:partay:
不是每个人都有你们印度人的工作效率,你们可以用数年时间询价一件简单的武器,然后取消,过几年以后再来一轮同样的游戏。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:39:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani to Syama Ayas: Editing posts way after posting them to make up for the lack in your arguments.EH?
Are you on this forum just to troll?Why couldn't PRC supply NE freedom fighters through it's own borders?After all supplying just arms and ammo (basic firearms and grenades) for a few thousand cadres of freedom fighters is a piece of cake when compared to handling the complete logistics and resupply of 80,000 troops rushed in from different parts of China.
Abotani:你来这个网站的目的就是为了扯淡吗?为什么中国不能通过自己的边界给游击队输送武器,如果他们愿意的话?无非就是几千名游击队的基本装备和弹药。这对他们来说轻而易举。当年人家可是八万人的重装部队从中国的四面八方涌进来的。
Or do you not really get this difference of the magnitude of two different tasks?
Even then,back then Burma was in PRC's camp completely.Why not use that route but the Pakistani route when relations between PRC and Islamic Republic of Pakistan hadn't reached the present zenith?Why take the risk of routing them through SCS,Indian ocean and then East Pakistan when the job could be done much more efficiently through Burma back then,particularly considering even then most arms of the NE freedom fighters were transported through Burma?
或者你完全不能理解这两件事的难易程度?当年缅甸完全在中国的阵营,为什么他们不能通过缅甸输送武器?中国和巴基斯坦当年的关系并没有达到今天这种天顶星的高度,他们为什么要走南中国海,印度洋,然后东巴基斯坦?
The flaws in your manufactured narrative are far too obvious.:coffee:
你的说辞可真是漏洞百出。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:39:00 +0800 CST  
Chinese Bamboo(中): In China the price of 10M=100M..:)
About 6 year ago,my father's brother(live in mountain) have 6M.I think they have chosen a better one now(because most have 100M now).
Chinese Bamboo:在中国,10M和100M 同价。六年前,我住在山村的叔叔用的是6M的,我想他们现在有100M了。
Abotani: LOL.Just shows how far apart the two nations are.In the mountainous regions of NE,most of the time,you won't get a connection for a voice call let alone an internet connection.
Abotani:哈哈,这显示了两个国家间的巨大差异。在东北山区,连普通电话都没有,更别提什么互联网了。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:39:00 +0800 CST  
nForce to Abotani: Assam as a state has GDP 12 times more than that of yours. Assamese can be found working everywhere across India. They are far more well integrated into the society. It is because, they have demanded their rights, worked together with the center. What makes you think that you have to build roads out of your own GDP only ? That is where the center comes in. Why weren't you demanding funds ? India used to be a very poor country, even upto the 90s. While rest of India was fighting, what were you doing ? You are just one of those opportunist people.
nForce to Abotani:阿萨姆邦的GDP是你们邦的12倍,可以在印度各地见到阿萨姆人干活。相比你们,他们和这个社会融合更好。因为他们和中央政府协调他们的权益。为什么你会认为你们必须自己建公路网? 印度知道九十年代还是一个很穷的国家,其他人都在努力奋斗,你们在干什么?你就是那种机会主义者。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:40:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: Assam as a state also has 25 times the population of my state,dear member.Hence even after it's 12 times higher GDP it has a per capita of less than half of my state.The Assamese got the little development they have because it was a source of crude oil to India(India being a poor country even now likes to save every cent from it's forex) and the lynchpin to continued occupation of NE region and not due to their co-operation.Even then they have the lowest HDI in whole NE (lower than even India).Just blows more holes in your lies of Indian benevolence.A region that co operated more with Indians is still more backward in HDI than the ones who outright opposed Indians.
Here I thought I was talking to an educated person who could compare things rationally.:(But aah!!why argue with those with intellect too low for these matters.:coffee:
LOL now you changed tracks again?Just a few posts back you were whining on how it was our fault that there is no infrastructure in the province and now this?
Abotani:阿萨姆邦的人口是我们的25倍,他们的GDP是我们的12倍,实际上他们的人均GDP不到我们的一半。阿萨姆邦有了点基础设施项目,那是因为他们向印度输出原油(现在的印度仍然是一个穷国,他们想节省每一分外汇储备),也因为他们是印度持续占领东北殖民地的一个关键地区,并不是因为他们和中央政府的合作。
尽管这样,他们人类发展指数HDI是整个东北地区最低的(甚至比印度平均水品更低)。看见了吧,你又把印度善心的牛皮吹破了,一个和印度合作的地区的HDI,却落后于那些抵制印度的地区。呵呵,我还以为我在和一个懂得做理性对比的受过教育的人在讨论问题(去,为什么我会和文化水品地的人讨论呢?咖啡)
呵呵,你又改变话题了?前几贴你还在抱怨我们邦缺少基础设施是我们自己的错。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:40:00 +0800 CST  
May I remind you that we were under a scorched earth policy and Indian Gov. approved almost no projects in this areas except these past 6-9 years?So you are telling me we could get funds sanctioned for infrastructure development when there was a express policy at the centre,both civilian and military bureaucracy encouraged, that there was to be little to no development in the region?
That is when the BIMARU states and the rest of India wasn't siphoning off everything as doleouts in the name of poverty alleviation and useless schemes to satisfy their religious idiocy?
提醒你一下,直到6-9年前,我们邦还一直处在“焦土政策”之下,印度政府基本上没有批准任何建设项目? 在这个基本上不建任何军用或民用设施的明确政策下,你指望我们能够得到中央政府的资金批准?在北方四邦和印度其他地方以扶贫及各种废物政策的名目,吸干了中央政府所有补贴以满足他们的愚昧宗教的情况下,我们能指望什么?
Hmm.. am I the only one getting the down's syndrome in the argument in bold?
我是这里唯一一个看见黑体字就会得“唐氏综合症的人”吗?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:42:00 +0800 CST  
nForce: I dont really get this, you have GDP per capita more than that of you neighbouring states, so you should not be worrying about anything. Then on the other hand, you are whining that you are not getting enough funds. So, what exactly is the problem here ? Funds from the center, right ? So, your GDP per capita is irrelevant, right ?So, why don't you work towards that , now that you have a problem identified ? And siphoning off what ? Your state's GDP is not much to begin with to siphon off. You have alienated yourself and continue to do so. That is your problem. Otherwise, why would there be development in Assam and not in Arunachal ?
nForce:我不太理解,如果你们的人均GDP高于邻近邦的话,你什么都不要担心啊?你却在这里抱怨得不到足够的资金,问题在哪儿了?中央政府的资金,对吗? 和人均GDP无关,对吗?为什么你不向那个方向努力? 你有身份认知问题?吸干什么?你们的GDP本来就没有什么可吸的。你让自己疏远并坚持如此,那是你的问题了。否则,阿萨姆的基建为什么不在“阿努纳恰尔”?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:42:00 +0800 CST  
Luca1(美): And the Indians need to do the right thing and allow states to leave India.
Luca1:印度政府应该做正确的事,让那些邦离开印度。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:42:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani to nForce: LOL. Comprehension issues of yours at it again.
The issue is that we were and still are under a policy of scorched earth by Indian centre where infrastructure build up is stopped by central government as a policy against Chinese reclamation of this territory.
Are you too dim a wit to get this basic idea that you can't get funds from an entity whose express policy is to keep you starved off funds to keep you subservient?That funds for infrastructure will not be sanctioned when there is no desire as a part of policy to build up no infrastructure?
Abotani to nForce:你的理解能力有问题。讨论的焦点是我们邦过去甚至现在一直处于印度政府“焦土政策”之下,所有的基础设施建设都停止了,以防中国人收复这个地区。中央政府的明确政策就让你资金短缺迫使你顺从,你是不是脑子不够用啊,连这个基本的事实也无法理解 ?政府本来就不想在这里搞基建,怎么会批准在这里搞基建的资金?
On the part in bold,again your comprehension issues at display again.I said and meant that mainland India uses most of it's wealth to buy weapons and as doleouts to the overpopulated masses (which is siphoned off by the authorities) leaving nothing for it's NE colonies.
黑体字部分显示了你的理解能力。我说的是印度内地把资金都用来买武器和补贴那些过剩的人口(被当局吸收的资金),没有钱给东北殖民地。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:43:00 +0800 CST  
That Assam gets the basic minimum infrastructure because it is an important source of crude oil for a poor impoverished India and to keep continued control of NE colonies including Assam.It takes no Newton to figure out that if Assam would not have the minimum infra,India stands a huge chance of losing it's colonies.Of course saving a few billion of forex from crude oil from Assam (depriving it's natives) helps as well for a country which is behind sub saharan Afr.
阿萨姆得到了少量项目,是因为他们能给穷光蛋般的印度提供石油,也因为印度需要阿萨姆邦以便控制包括阿萨姆在内的东北殖民地。不需要牛顿的脑袋就能够理解,阿萨姆如果一点项目都没有,印度很可能会丢掉整个东北殖民地。当然,从阿萨姆抽走石油(剥削了原住民)能够节省几十亿美金的外汇,对一个比撒哈拉以南的非洲还要穷的国家,这不无小补。
Did I solve your confusion?
我解决你的困惑了吗?
BTW just to clarify so that you don't shoot without basis
顺便给你的数据,你就不至于无的放矢了。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:43:00 +0800 CST  
South tibet- $1870 藏南 GDP: $1870
Assam- $968 阿萨姆 GDP:$968
HDI
ST-0.617 藏南 HDI 0.617
As-0.44 阿萨姆 HDI 0.44

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:44:00 +0800 CST  
Luca1: I feel bad for you. I wish thing could be better. You and your people do not deserve to live as part of India. India will split into pieces when the time comes.
Luca1: 为你们感到难过。我希望事情会好起来。你和你的族群不值得留在印度。印度早晚得分裂。
Abotani: Let's hope. Let's hope.
Abotani:希望吧。希望吧。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:44:00 +0800 CST  

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