藏南人的真实想法
Dungeness: Really? Thought he meant NE internet speed.
Dungeness：真的？我还以为他指的是东北部的上网速度。
AnsrewJin（中）: It has 4G.
I don't know the speed of internet. Even Tibet's Everest Base Camp has 4G
AndrewJin：有4g信号，我不知道4g的网速是多少。珠峰大本营都有4g信号。
Abotani to Dungeness: Nah,that speed is likely from some indian mega city.Like all Indians,the esteemed member couldn't help but turn it into a contest to soothe his ego by comparing a remote mountain region of PRC to a city in Indian mainland.
Abotani to Dungeness:那个速度大概是印度的那个大城市的网速。就像所有的印度人，这些尊贵的会员没办法控制自己，是一定要把印度大城市的网速和中国遥远山村的网速来进行对比，来满足自己的自负的。
Dungeness：真的？我还以为他指的是东北部的上网速度。
AnsrewJin（中）: It has 4G.
I don't know the speed of internet. Even Tibet's Everest Base Camp has 4G
AndrewJin：有4g信号，我不知道4g的网速是多少。珠峰大本营都有4g信号。
Abotani to Dungeness: Nah,that speed is likely from some indian mega city.Like all Indians,the esteemed member couldn't help but turn it into a contest to soothe his ego by comparing a remote mountain region of PRC to a city in Indian mainland.
Abotani to Dungeness:那个速度大概是印度的那个大城市的网速。就像所有的印度人，这些尊贵的会员没办法控制自己，是一定要把印度大城市的网速和中国遥远山村的网速来进行对比，来满足自己的自负的。
AndrewJin: i have already got used to such weird comparison.
I have 50-100M broadband network in my community, 600yuan（$94) per year for 50M.
AndrewJin: 我已经习惯于他们玩的这种可笑的对比。我的小区有50-100M 的网络，我的是50M，每年付600元（$94).
Dungeness: That is fxxk cheap! I paid $99/M for 100Mbps to comcast, and that is a discounted price!:(
Dungeness: 真TM便宜！我的网速是100M，每个月付$99,这还是合同优惠价！
I have 50-100M broadband network in my community, 600yuan（$94) per year for 50M.
AndrewJin: 我已经习惯于他们玩的这种可笑的对比。我的小区有50-100M 的网络，我的是50M，每年付600元（$94).
Dungeness: That is fxxk cheap! I paid $99/M for 100Mbps to comcast, and that is a discounted price!:(
Dungeness: 真TM便宜！我的网速是100M，每个月付$99,这还是合同优惠价！
藏南网速好可怜Abotani to AndrewJin: LOL.So affordable?I pay around 150+% of that for a year at a speeds of under 100 KB/s limited to maybe 50 GB high speed(lol) a year(plan is monthly I am just giving an aggregate) after which I reduced to 4 KB/s at a maximum.
Abotani to AndrewJin：这么便宜？我每年付你那个数的150%，我的“宽带”速度是100Kbps，一年50G流量以后，网速降为4kbps.
Dungeness to Abotani: I thought China is the only major country that use internet censorship, so I was surprised that one Indian state cut off entire internet access a couple weeks ago. They arrested a 22 yo guy for organizing a protest . I think it is modi's state. India is not that free after all. :(
Dungeness to Abotani: 我一直以为中国是主要大国中唯一进行网络审查的国家，直到不久前印度的一个邦切断所有网络，那次他们逮捕了一个22岁的示威领导者，好像就是穆迪的那个邦。印度看来也没有那么自由啊！
Abotani : It was never truly free tbh.Just for example,one can't call a country where one can't eat what one wants as "FREE" It's oxymoronic to do so.Maybe free to live in hell and die.
Abotani： 从来就没有真正的自由。比如说，在这个国家你不能吃你想吃的，把这样的国家称为自由的，那就自相矛盾了。也许你可以自由地死，自由地生活在地狱。
Dungeness: 4K? That is pathetic. Dialup line had 56K, and that is what 30 years ago?
Dungeness：4K？可悲啊！拨号上网都有56K吧，那是30年前的事了？
Abotani： 从来就没有真正的自由。比如说，在这个国家你不能吃你想吃的，把这样的国家称为自由的，那就自相矛盾了。也许你可以自由地死，自由地生活在地狱。
Dungeness: 4K? That is pathetic. Dialup line had 56K, and that is what 30 years ago?
Dungeness：4K？可悲啊！拨号上网都有56K吧，那是30年前的事了？
藏南人对印度的讽刺看起来好熟悉
Abotani: LOL,welcome to incredible India that will be superpower in half a decade
Abotani：哈哈，欢迎来到“不可思议的印度”，5年里将成为“超级大国”的印度。
看起来好熟悉Abotani: LOL,welcome to incredible India that will be superpower in half a decade
Abotani：哈哈，欢迎来到“不可思议的印度”，5年里将成为“超级大国”的印度。
印度的吃食（吃屎）问题已经闻名遐迩于世界了
Dungeness: Terrible if government regulate what you eat! In some Indian states, it is illegal to eat meat?
Dungeness：如果一个政府决定你可以吃什么不能吃什么那就太可怕了！听说在印度的一些邦，吃肉是违法的？
Dungeness: Terrible if government regulate what you eat! In some Indian states, it is illegal to eat meat?
Dungeness：如果一个政府决定你可以吃什么不能吃什么那就太可怕了！听说在印度的一些邦，吃肉是违法的？
Abotani: In most of North India beef is legally banned or forbidden by common folk.(You know eat meat and be beat to meat untill you are dead)Pork as well.
You can't get accommodation if you eat a particular food or dress or look a certain way,particularly your race.
Abotani：在大部分的印度北部，不是政府规定吃牛肉非法，就是百姓（注：应该是印度教徒）不许你吃（你吃肉，就把你打成肉）。猪肉也是一样。如果你吃的不同，穿着不同，长的不同，你即无法住店，也无处吃饭。
You can't get accommodation if you eat a particular food or dress or look a certain way,particularly your race.
Abotani：在大部分的印度北部，不是政府规定吃牛肉非法，就是百姓（注：应该是印度教徒）不许你吃（你吃肉，就把你打成肉）。猪肉也是一样。如果你吃的不同，穿着不同，长的不同，你即无法住店，也无处吃饭。
Dungeness: I can't believe this! It is not what I have in mind about India. Indian people are doing so well in the states, and you hear from news channels that India is a IT superpower and back office of the world, etc. 4K!!!!!
Dungeness：实在无法相信！这不是我印象中的印度。在美国的印度人都干得不错，电视电台天天告诉你印度是个IT超级大国，是世界办公室。4K!!!!
Dungeness：实在无法相信！这不是我印象中的印度。在美国的印度人都干得不错，电视电台天天告诉你印度是个IT超级大国，是世界办公室。4K!!!!
Abotani: The India you hear about is the view point of the urban upper classes who seem to have a remarkable superhero power of ignoring the rural reality or the poor even in urban areas.Indian tendency to "save honour" keeps them from openly admitting the gravity of the issue..
Abotani: 你所听到的印度是城市里高种姓印度人眼里的印度。他们具有超凡的能力，能够直接无视农村地区甚至城市里穷人的现实。“好面子”的天性让他们无法正视现实。
Abotani: 你所听到的印度是城市里高种姓印度人眼里的印度。他们具有超凡的能力，能够直接无视农村地区甚至城市里穷人的现实。“好面子”的天性让他们无法正视现实。
Dungeness: Something is not right here. Not democratic country should regulate what people can eat what can't eat! That is even worse the North Korea!
Dungeness：有没有搞错啊？没有任何一个民主国家的政府可以告诉民众，他们可以吃什么，不能吃什么。这真的连北朝鲜都不如！
朝鲜金胖子中枪鸟
Dungeness：有没有搞错啊？没有任何一个民主国家的政府可以告诉民众，他们可以吃什么，不能吃什么。这真的连北朝鲜都不如！
朝鲜金胖子中枪鸟
Abotani: In most of North India beef is legally banned or forbidden by common folk.(You know eat meat and be beat to meat untill you are dead)Pork as well.
You can't get accommodation if you eat a particular food or dress or look a certain way,particularly your race.
Abotani：在大部分的印度北部，不是政府规定吃牛肉非法，就是百姓（注：应该是印度教徒）不许你吃（你吃肉，就把你打成肉）。猪肉也是一样。如果你吃的不同，穿着不同，长的不同，你即无法住店，也无处吃饭。 Abotani: Under Indian democracy,if the people want they will ban what the minorites eat or do,particularly if you are from it's colonies.:astagh:
Abotani：在民主的民主制度下，只要印度教徒同意，他们就可以禁止非印度教徒吃自己的传统食物，做他们自己的事，尤其当你是来自殖民地地区的人。
Dungeness: Seems like all these Indian internet warriors are from well to do city high caste, they have not idea what India rural look like and how common people live their life. Pretty depressing!
Dungeness：看来那些印度所谓“互联网勇士”们都是些城里高种姓家庭出来的，他们根本不知道印度的农村是什么样的，也不知道印度贫民是怎么生活的。挺压抑的！
You can't get accommodation if you eat a particular food or dress or look a certain way,particularly your race.
Abotani：在大部分的印度北部，不是政府规定吃牛肉非法，就是百姓（注：应该是印度教徒）不许你吃（你吃肉，就把你打成肉）。猪肉也是一样。如果你吃的不同，穿着不同，长的不同，你即无法住店，也无处吃饭。 Abotani: Under Indian democracy,if the people want they will ban what the minorites eat or do,particularly if you are from it's colonies.:astagh:
Abotani：在民主的民主制度下，只要印度教徒同意，他们就可以禁止非印度教徒吃自己的传统食物，做他们自己的事，尤其当你是来自殖民地地区的人。
Dungeness: Seems like all these Indian internet warriors are from well to do city high caste, they have not idea what India rural look like and how common people live their life. Pretty depressing!
Dungeness：看来那些印度所谓“互联网勇士”们都是些城里高种姓家庭出来的，他们根本不知道印度的农村是什么样的，也不知道印度贫民是怎么生活的。挺压抑的！
Abotani: They know it well enough.They just can't admit it to others."save honour" mentality at work again.
Abotani：他们当然知道，他们只是不能对外人承认这些现实，“维持荣誉”的心态在作怪。
Dungeness: Can you guys go to different countries, like US? India is the No.1 immigrates source country in the US. My neighbor is from Punjab.
Dungeness：你们能够去别的国家吗，比如美国？印度是美国移民的第一大来源地，我的邻居里就有旁遮普邦来的。
Abotani: Yeah that is allowed.But most of my people don't as it will reduce our population.
Abotani：这是允许的，但是我的族人们都不这么做是因为我们不想让我们的人口流失。
Abotani：他们当然知道，他们只是不能对外人承认这些现实，“维持荣誉”的心态在作怪。
Dungeness: Can you guys go to different countries, like US? India is the No.1 immigrates source country in the US. My neighbor is from Punjab.
Dungeness：你们能够去别的国家吗，比如美国？印度是美国移民的第一大来源地，我的邻居里就有旁遮普邦来的。
Abotani: Yeah that is allowed.But most of my people don't as it will reduce our population.
Abotani：这是允许的，但是我的族人们都不这么做是因为我们不想让我们的人口流失。
Dungeness: man, this kind of dishonest is unheard of.. My neighbor told me that the landlord decided for whole village whom to vote for, and they have to obey.
Dungeness：好家伙，这种程度的不诚实是没听说过的。也许60年代的中国？我的印度邻居说，他们村里是地主决定票投给谁，他们都必须服从
Abotani: Indians usually vote on their caste,religion and whole list of other mundane things.
Abotani：印度是按种姓，教派，以及其他乱七八槽的东西来站队的。
Dungeness：好家伙，这种程度的不诚实是没听说过的。也许60年代的中国？我的印度邻居说，他们村里是地主决定票投给谁，他们都必须服从
Abotani: Indians usually vote on their caste,religion and whole list of other mundane things.
Abotani：印度是按种姓，教派，以及其他乱七八槽的东西来站队的。
Andrew: Dude, 100kb/s?!
150% of my price can buy 100M broadband per year....No limit.
I think your local government should instal optic fibre network to communities.
Here, optic fibre is on every floor of apartment no matter u use or not.
Some broadband network is integrated into digital TV.
(In China, digital TV access is compulsory no matter u watch TV or not. There is a box on top a TV)
AndrewJin：伙计，100kb/s？150%我每年付的费用可以有100M宽带无限流量。我觉得你们的当地政府应该把光纤铺设到每个社区。在我们这儿，光纤入户，不管你用不用。有些宽带网络是和数字电视绑定的。（在中国，数码电视接口是强制的，不管你看不看电视。电视上都有一个机顶盒）
150% of my price can buy 100M broadband per year....No limit.
I think your local government should instal optic fibre network to communities.
Here, optic fibre is on every floor of apartment no matter u use or not.
Some broadband network is integrated into digital TV.
(In China, digital TV access is compulsory no matter u watch TV or not. There is a box on top a TV)
AndrewJin：伙计，100kb/s？150%我每年付的费用可以有100M宽带无限流量。我觉得你们的当地政府应该把光纤铺设到每个社区。在我们这儿，光纤入户，不管你用不用。有些宽带网络是和数字电视绑定的。（在中国，数码电视接口是强制的，不管你看不看电视。电视上都有一个机顶盒）
AndrewJin: Western China is a 2 trillion U.S. dollars economy dude.
AndrewJin：中国的西部是个两万亿美元的经济体，伙计。
AndrewJin：中国的西部是个两万亿美元的经济体，伙计。
Dungeness to AndrewJin: I think Indian gov is doing this on purpose. They need to keep NE people uninformed.
Dungeness to AndrewJin:我觉得也许印度政府是有意这么做的。他们必须东北部的人民处于无知状态
Abotani: The local Gov.is so starved of funds by Indian government that it cannot pay the salary of it's employees. Let alone provide some decent infrastructure.To travel to the capital of the state/province one has to go through the neighbouring province of Assam as there is no road (permanent or mud) within different regions of the province.
Abotani：地方政府被印度政府掐了财源，连政府自己雇员的工资都发不出来，更别提什么像样的基础设施了。从我们这儿到邦首府，都得借道邻近的阿萨姆邦，因为邦内各地区之间，没有道路相通。没有硬化道路，连泥巴路都没有。
藏南对印度的离心力
Dungeness to AndrewJin:我觉得也许印度政府是有意这么做的。他们必须东北部的人民处于无知状态
Abotani: The local Gov.is so starved of funds by Indian government that it cannot pay the salary of it's employees. Let alone provide some decent infrastructure.To travel to the capital of the state/province one has to go through the neighbouring province of Assam as there is no road (permanent or mud) within different regions of the province.
Abotani：地方政府被印度政府掐了财源，连政府自己雇员的工资都发不出来，更别提什么像样的基础设施了。从我们这儿到邦首府，都得借道邻近的阿萨姆邦，因为邦内各地区之间，没有道路相通。没有硬化道路，连泥巴路都没有。
藏南对印度的离心力
Dungeness: Before I started reading PDF, I thought India is only a few year behind China, as all media here put China and India in one bracket every time. what difference, wow!
Dungeness: 我开始上这个网站之前，一直以为印度只比中国落后了几年而已。因为美国的主流媒体总是把中国和印度放在同一造句里。其实相差好多啊！
霉锅媒体洗脑能力MAX
Dungeness: 我开始上这个网站之前，一直以为印度只比中国落后了几年而已。因为美国的主流媒体总是把中国和印度放在同一造句里。其实相差好多啊！
霉锅媒体洗脑能力MAX
nForce to AndrewJin: Nobody is questioning the economy dude. Even after all these years in this forum, some times I still get shocked looking at these stupid d!ck measuring contests. Remote areas have lesser penetration and the companies dont find the business there lucrative enough. As simple as that. Why dont the people in those places take initiatives if there is indeed a problem ?We did, I did. I know these kinds, they will not lift their finger for one single thing and expect everything to be spoon-fed to them, just because they happen to belong to some X Y Z tribe. There are guys, from Manipur, Assam and Nagaland, working alongside with me, in my team and they are pretty good at what they do. They are deserving people for they have worked hard to achieve the positions in which they are. No cookies for those who just sat on their asses and did nothing
nForce to AndrewJin:没有人谈经济，伙计。尽管在这个网站泡了这么多年，我还是对这种比尺寸大小的蠢游戏感到吃惊。在边远地区，服务少是因为公司觉得不赚钱，就这么简单。如果真的是问题的话，那些地区的的人为什么不主动采取些措施？我们做了，我做了。我知道这号人，他们不愿意抬一下他们的手指，却总是指望什么东西都喂到他们嘴里，就是因为他们属于XYZ部落。我的同事里有阿萨姆，曼尼普，那伽蓝来的人，他们都干得很不错，他们配得上他们现在的位置。对那些坐着不干事的，什么救济都不应该给。
印度式（屎）一样的自辩和推诿与傲慢，真真是非我种族其心必异啊
nForce to AndrewJin:没有人谈经济，伙计。尽管在这个网站泡了这么多年，我还是对这种比尺寸大小的蠢游戏感到吃惊。在边远地区，服务少是因为公司觉得不赚钱，就这么简单。如果真的是问题的话，那些地区的的人为什么不主动采取些措施？我们做了，我做了。我知道这号人，他们不愿意抬一下他们的手指，却总是指望什么东西都喂到他们嘴里，就是因为他们属于XYZ部落。我的同事里有阿萨姆，曼尼普，那伽蓝来的人，他们都干得很不错，他们配得上他们现在的位置。对那些坐着不干事的，什么救济都不应该给。
印度式（屎）一样的自辩和推诿与傲慢，真真是非我种族其心必异啊
表扬中国的边疆建设
Dungeness to Abotani: Medog is the last county in China that finally got concrete highway. It is very difficult to build highway there, and central government tried 3 times over the span of 2 decades.
Dungeness to Abotani: 墨脱是中国最后一个通水泥公路的县城。在那个地区建公路相当难。中央政府在20年之内尝试了三次。
Dungeness to nForce: Hey, man, helping remote region and minorities isn't the job of a responsible government? It is easy for you to point finger at others. Maybe you are born with silver spoon in your month, but others are not that lucky. Don't stand on the high moral ground and lecture others.
Dungeness to nForce: 伙计，帮助边远地区少数民族难道不是一个负责任的政府该做的事吗？ 指责别人很容易，也许你是嘴里含着银勺出生的，但很多人并没有那么幸运。别站在道德高地上教训别人好吗？
Dungeness to Abotani: Medog is the last county in China that finally got concrete highway. It is very difficult to build highway there, and central government tried 3 times over the span of 2 decades.
Dungeness to Abotani: 墨脱是中国最后一个通水泥公路的县城。在那个地区建公路相当难。中央政府在20年之内尝试了三次。
Dungeness to nForce: Hey, man, helping remote region and minorities isn't the job of a responsible government? It is easy for you to point finger at others. Maybe you are born with silver spoon in your month, but others are not that lucky. Don't stand on the high moral ground and lecture others.
Dungeness to nForce: 伙计，帮助边远地区少数民族难道不是一个负责任的政府该做的事吗？ 指责别人很容易，也许你是嘴里含着银勺出生的，但很多人并没有那么幸运。别站在道德高地上教训别人好吗？