藏南人的真实想法

楼主说明:藏南之所以基建那么糟糕,与印度的焦土政策有关,利用糟糕的基建来阻碍侵略军前进。。。。。。。感觉没什么用

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:20:00 +0800 CST  
Dungeness to AndrewJin: You mean the government of your province in central China, responsible for building roads in south Tibet, China side of LOC, and provide teachers and doctors?
Dungeness to AndrewJin:你在中国中部的省份负责西藏南部的道路建设,提供教师和医生?
AndrewJin: Yes, every prefecture in Tibet has a brother province.They help train local teachers and doctors.
AndrewJin:对。西藏的每一个县都有一个对口的兄弟省份,帮助培训当地的教师和医生。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:25:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: After 1962 war Indian Gov did a spectacular job of discouraging any infrastructure build up in the area as a scorched earth policy.It is only recently that they put in some effort,that too to push in more Indians。Most Indians have that mentality.They have this mentality towards lower castes and people of oriental stock.Of course it driven by a sense of misplaced notion that they are more hardworking when in fact they toil so much because they are over populated and compete for scant resources among themselves.The mainland Indians receive far more doles and hand outs than we ever received in history,even per capita wise.But of course facts stand no chance against pre conceived notions of prejudice.Misplaced ones at that
Abotani:1962年的中印战争后,印度政府在地区实行了“焦土政策”,阻止了任何基础设施建设。在这件事上,他们倒是干的很出色。直到最近在基建方面才开始有所动作,而这也是为了招更多的印度人进来。大多数印度人对于低于他们的种姓,以及对东方人种都有一种莫名其妙的优越心态,认为自己更勤劳。事实上,他们生得太多,以致人口过密,不得不相互竞争稀缺的资源。大陆印度人收到的政府各种救济远比我们多,即使按人均算也是如此,但是在偏见面前,事实又算得了什么。
藏南看来也知道事实,印度政府就是一坨屎

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:25:00 +0800 CST  
nForce to Dungeness: What makes you think remote regions are not being helped out ? Talking about NE in , there is a ministry specifically for that purpose. Are you sure, you are informed enough before you talk ? Check out the packages.
nForce to Dungeness: 为什么你会认为边远地区没有得到帮助?说到东北,政府有一个专门的部门处理这个地区的有关事务。你了解得够多吗?看一下这些计划:(政府网站帮助东北部的计划的链接)
Dungeness to Abotani: I think after Brits left, Indians automatically assume the role of their former colonial master. They act like that won the war with Brits and they are supposed to assume all these land they did not own as their trophy, and treat the locals as a new master.
Dungeness to Abotani: 我想英国殖民者走后,印度人自动取而代之。印度人表现得就像自己打赢了对英国人的战争,理所应当地接管这些历史上不曾属于他们的土地作为战利品,觉得自己就是新的殖民地主子。
印度的自辩苍白无力。但网友的眼睛是雪亮的

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:26:00 +0800 CST  
中国网友介绍援藏工程
AndrewJin to Abotani: My province (a province in Central China) is responsible for a prefecture at the other side of your place, called 山南地区。A lot of doctors, teachers, engineers go there for 1-2 years for help. To some extent, the village road there is no worse than the village roads in the mountainous regions of my province. I have never encountered power cut or tap water shortage when I travel there. Except in EBC, that was in 2011. Now there is 4G and stable electricity there.
AndrewJin to Abotani:我所在的省份(中国中部)负责和你相邻的山南地区一个县的建设。省里派出了很多医生,教师,工程师去那儿短期工作1-2年。在一定程度上,那里的村路并不比我们自己山区的路差。我去哪儿的时候,从来没经历过断水断电。除了在EBC(?),但那是2011年的事儿了。现在那里有4g信号和稳定的电力供应。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:28:00 +0800 CST  
AndrewJin to Dungeness: true. How can you expect those people to work properly when they have no access to education and electricity?! That attitude is absurd. If that's the altitude towards the poor and the underprivileged, no doubt their society is so stagnant.
My father was born in a poor village but now is a professor.I witness how his village changed from being stuck in abject poverty to a well-being village where people have access to clean tap water, natural gas pipeline, 4G, optic fibre broadband and medical insurance/pension.
AndrewJin to Dungeness:对。缺少电力和教育,怎么能够要求那里的人正常工作?!他们这种态度非常荒唐可笑。采取这种态度对待穷人和社会下层,难怪他们的社会停滞不前。我的父亲来自一个穷困的山村,但他现在是一名教授。我亲眼目睹了他的家乡怎么从一个穷困潦倒的山村蜕变成一个富裕的村庄,有干净的自来水,天然气管道,4g信号,光纤宽带,还有医疗保险和退休金。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:28:00 +0800 CST  
忘了,那个字母A开头的是藏南同胞。
字母D开头的是外国人。
字母n那个是印度的。
不要搞混

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:29:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: Hitting the nail right where it matters.The Brits left in a hurry when their plans for hillstates and regions of Burma with sea links as a crown colony was refused by us. The Indian people of course were not as polite and instead resorted to mass killings
Abotani:一针见血!英国人走的很匆忙,他们原来的计划是让我们和缅甸的一部分合并为一个具有出海口的英国直辖殖民地,这个计划被我们拒绝了。而印度人可没那么客气,于是他们就诉诸大规模杀戮。
这位是藏南人。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:29:00 +0800 CST  
Dungeness to nForce: We are talking to a NE local here, you tell me if your government is actually doing a good job in help them or not! He are thousands of miles away in a metropolitan of mainland India, and you are telling me you know better than local people about NE? What makes you think you are in position to judge?
Dungeness to nForce:和我们交谈的就是东北的原住民。请你告诉我,贵政府在帮助他们这方面干的好吗?你在千里之外的印度大城市,而你告诉我们你比东北本地人更了解东北。是什么让你感觉这么好?
nForce: Yes I know better because I know. What makes you think that I don't ?
And that NE local that you have made friends with 2 hours back, belonging to one of the Tani tribes, I know about them too.
nForce:是的,我知道更多因为我就是知道。你怎么知道我不知道?你两小时前刚认识的这个东北当地人朋友,属于tani部落(中国珞巴族近亲或分支——译者注),我也了解他们。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:29:00 +0800 CST  
Dungeness:So are you telling me he is lying about meat ban, about 4k internet, about no road to capital, about no internet access in most part of NE Hill region, about discrimination they suffered by your kind? What do you know?
Dungeness:你是想告诉我他在撒谎?有关肉禁,有关4K的网络,无路通首府,东北山地大部分地区没有网络,有关你们这些人对他们的歧视,那个不是真实的?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:29:00 +0800 CST  
好像藏南没有进行过选举
Abotani to nForce: Fine what is the history of the Tani tribe may you tell me?Apart from the cursory wikipedia look you have.In which decade was the first election held in NEFA(name of south tibet then)
Abotani:好吧,那你能告诉我Tani部落的历史?除了你在维基百科上找到的那点浅薄的东西,你能告诉我那年NEFA(那时藏南的称呼)举行了第一次选举。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:30:00 +0800 CST  
藏南网友的嘲讽简直MAx
AndrewJin to Dungeness: Not just in Tibet, my provinces and some cities in the province are responsible for a prefecture in Xinjiang, some counties in Yunnan, and a lot of less developed places. But we are just an average province in Central China. Big cities like Lhasa and Shigatse are responsibility of rich places like Beijing/Jiangsu/Guangdong. For example, Beijing and Jiangsu help Lhasa. The street views above are village roads we built for Shannan Prefecture.
AndrewJin to Dungeness:不单是西藏,我们省和一些市还同时负责新疆的一个县,云南的几个县及许多其他落后地区的建设。我们只是中国中部的一个中等省份。一些较大的城市,比如拉萨,日喀则等的建设,则由富裕省份如北京,江苏,广东负责。我们省在山南负责建设的村路(贴图)
Abotani to AndrewJin: I doubt any place in whole of NE has roads like that for rural areas let alone my province.:-)
Abotani to AndrewJin:我怀疑整个东北的农村地区都没有这种等级的道路,更别提我的邦了。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:30:00 +0800 CST  
印度人真无耻,藏南和你种族、宗教、语言没关系还提什么兄弟般的关怀,真他妈虚伪!!!
nForce to Abotani: Oh no. not going down that line with you. Thats just meaningless waste of time, considering your prejudice. You are free to draw your own conclusions. BTW, you are free to pack your bags and leave, and see if they spoon feed you just because you happen to belong to some tribe.
nForce to Abotani:你有偏见,所以不和你扯这些,毫无意义浪费时间。你可以得出你自己的结论。你也可以打包离开,看看他们是否会因为你是部落族群,而伺候你们。
nForce to Dungeness: Who said anything about lying ? You specifically told me, NE is being given a step brotherly treatment. I gave you sources to prove otherwise. Why dont you go through them ? What kind of idiot thinks development is uniform across all the territories ? Cities and centers of trade are more developed.
Why do you think, coastal regions of China are more developed than the inner regions or the Western parts ? Answer me that.
nForce to Dungeness: 谁提到撒谎了?你问我东北是否得到了兄弟般的关怀,我给你提供了链接。为什么你不去看?什么样的白痴才会认为所有地区的发展水平都要一致?城市和交易中心当然发展更快。中国的沿海地区难道不是比中西部发展的更好吗?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:30:00 +0800 CST  
Dungeness: So you admit your government is doing a lousy job in providing basic service to NE Hill region? There is no any region as primitive as NE hill region in China. You saw the photos above, and that is the other side of LOC. Now you tell me, if you were tribal people, which side of LOC you want to live in?
Dungeness:所以你承认政府在给东北山地人提供基本服务方面做得很糟糕?在中国不会有印度东北山地那么原始的地区。你看到了上面贴的实控线另一边的图片,如果你是部落族群,你告诉我你愿意住在实控线的哪一边?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:31:00 +0800 CST  
印度人开始说疯话了,顾左右而言他
nForce: So, do you admit your govt is lousy in developing Western and inner regions of China ?
nForce:所以你承认中国政府在发展中西部方面,干的很糟糕?

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:31:00 +0800 CST  
啪啪打脸
Abotani to nForce: So when I ask you for proof all you do is turn tail and make excuses?:partay:
I didn't ask about NE investments but what you know about my people as you were preaching " I know about them too".Which year the great Indian patchwork of a union decided to hold dummy elections in a region it occupied.But of course no answer and just huff and puff and bluster. Only an idiot will think lack of even mud roads and four lane highways in mainland is "equitable development".
Those links are just for photo ops and those words wouldn't be worth the paper they are printed on.Most of the funds are announced and then cancelled a few months later.Once the Indians have siphoned off enough to fill their black accounts i.e,.Even after that most of these funds go for building mundane useless things which have almosst no effect improving the region.
But then 82 iq and "save honour" mentality at work again.
Abotani to nForce:我要你提供证据,你却在找借口。我没有问你东北的投资,你说你了解我的族人,我问的是你知道些什么。我问你印度是哪一年在我们这里搞了一个假模假样的选举,你当然不知道,只会东扯西拉。只有白痴才会认为,连泥巴路都没有,和双向四线水泥公路是可以对比的“相当的”发展程度。你提供的那些链接只是些作秀用的照片,那些废话连其用掉的打印纸的价值都不到。那些资金中的多数,今天发布,几个月后就取消了。即使有些资金最后落实了,也被用于花里胡哨的没用的东西,对改进基础设施毫无用处。但你们就非要这样强词夺理,以维持你们所谓的“荣誉”。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:31:00 +0800 CST  
nForce: As I said, you are free to draw your conclusions. Of course you will not work hard like the Assamese do and blame it upon the center. What makes the center ? Dont you have a responsibility and a part there too ? No, you just decided to take the easier way out, which is whine and cry about it, sit on your *** and do nothing. It's because of people like you that you manage to get areas neglected.
nForce:我说过,你可以得出你自己的结论。你当然不会像阿萨姆人一样努力工作,只会责备中央政府。中央政府怎么来的,你难道没有责任吗?你只是坐在那儿什么也不干,哭着闹着。就是你这样的人,让你们那个地区被鄙视了。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:32:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: Yeah right.The Assamese who have less than half of our per capita GDP and are employed by us.Sure.Just goes to show your level of knowledge on NE.All over NE Assamese are seen akin to bangladeshis.Blood sucking lazy leechers and here you are praising them. What will we do eh?Build multi billion airports witha GDP of 2-2.5 billion?or Build road network of thousand and tens of thousands of km with a per capita GDP that is just 15-20% higher than Indian average.
Talk about cop outs and blame the victim mentality.No wonder where the Indian mentality of blaming victims as responsible for their misery comes from.If remote regions with a low tax base due to population scarcity can't finance their budgets it is their fault?Gee! 82 iq at work again!
Abotani:呵呵,阿萨姆人均GDP不到我们的一半,受雇于我们。这显示你对东北地区的情况究竟知道有多少。在整个东北,阿萨姆人被认为是孟加拉人的同族,是懒惰的吸血蚂蟥,而你却在夸他们勤劳。你要我们怎么做?我们邦的整个GDP才20-25亿美元,你要我们自己建设几十亿美元的机场,或者建数千到数万公里的公路网,用我们只比全印度高出15-20%的人均GDP?
看看这种警察责备受害者的心态!难怪印度人总是要受害者为自己的不幸遭遇负责。如果一个边远地区因为人口稀少税收不足无法支付全部预算,就是他们自己的错?IQ82的水平又来了!(印度平均IQ约为82——译者注)

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:32:00 +0800 CST  
Abotani: Sure blame the fruits of our labour,social cohesion and egalitarian mentality and virtue of low population density as good work done by Indians.Clap Clap for Indian lying through the teeth.The High HDI is mostly due to the lack of social evils like caste system,dowry and a society which stresses on equitable distribution of wealth.
Your stats just prove my point that NE people(hill states) are more hard working,virtuous than Indians and yet Indians have this pre conceived idea that they are better than us.Talk about shooting yourself in the gut.
Abotani to Syama Ays(印):(之前这位印度网友贴数据图片显示藏南人类发展指数HDI高于印度平均值,以此证明印度政府的功劳。因帖子太乱太杂贴图太多未收进。除此之外,本文尽可能忠实地翻译全部帖子。——译者)
把我们因社会凝聚力,平等心态,人口稀少,以及我们的勤劳所结出的劳动果实归功于印度?鼓掌!印度人又当面撒谎。我们的人类发展指数高,是因为我们的社会没有那些诸如种姓制度,嫁妆等社会弊端,我们的社会强调公平分配社会财富。
你的统计数据恰恰说明,东北山地人比印度人更加勤奋更具品德。可笑的是印度人却总觉得自己比我们优秀。看看你搬起石头砸了自己的脚。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:33:00 +0800 CST  
Syama Ayas: @Abotani had made up his mind. His tribe has been at the receiving end of Tibetan elite from the other side of the border at some point in history.
Hence Chinese atrocities against Tibetan elite for him is like divine justice from his Knight in shining Armour。 Rest of it his post about his people being damsels in distress, completed delusional of the fact him being a of non-Han ethnicity, social integration will as challenging as Tibet or Xinjiang.
Syama Ayas: @Abotani 已经打定主意了。他的部落历史上曾经受到国境那边的西藏高层的压迫。对于他来说,中国对西藏精英的暴行,就像是穿着闪光盔甲的骑士带来的神的审判。他的帖子的其他内容就像一个女人的幽怨,完全是幻想。他忘了,作为一个非汉族人,他融入那个社会的挑战不会少于西藏人和新疆人。
His solution is Chinese take over of Arunahcal Pradesh, irrespective of what an average Arunachal Pradeshi thinks.
他的解决方案是中国接管“阿努纳恰尔邦”,不管“阿努纳恰尔邦”一般人是怎么想的。
People like him seem to forget states in India like states like Gujarat, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and AP developed because of its visionary leaders, not the center.
像他这样的人,忘了泰米尔等邦的发展靠的是有远见的本地领导人,而不是等待中央政府。

楼主 新生水军卡卡西  发布于 2015-11-18 23:33:00 +0800 CST  

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