【Nyongtori_分析】来说说哥儿俩这些年的那些事

〔事件十:体贴就是,在最累的时候依旧把你的事当自己的事〕
今天楼主想要集中说一下line,line那段龙哥给胜利电话的我看了很多次,很多细节非常的让我心水,大概是因为那个比起其它电话连线有种更接近他们真实对话的感觉吧。其实这回不算分析就是看图说话啦,让我来给你们8一8龙tory聊天的打开方式~也顺便深度8一下两个的关系和性格吧~~
话说我这回可是把重点句截了图打算一张张说啊~很辛苦的~所以更的会有点慢。
先来说说这次line通话的背景吧,虽然好多人八是拿龙哥手机即时打的,但看龙哥那操作不熟练的样子应该是那边给的手机或经纪人手机,而且事先应该有通过气。和太阳哥的通话就控制地很好,把近况说了一下又互相宣传了一下,然后干脆利落的结束了。可是到了龙tory……却怎么说……完全变了气氛。有一部分大概是胜利xi又一次控场了,龙哥也就跟着他走偏了,毕竟龙哥现在真心talk时只要胜利在就跟着他不操心傻笑就好的状态。
当然了,胜利君的开场永远都是独特的,那声嗲嗲的oppa,是人家啦……还是很苏的对不对?
龙哥于是瞬间破冰地回了一个很苏的笑和带点傲娇的抱怨说,一下子觉得好累。大概也是知道这对话不可能正常的进行了。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册当然,在最开始的问候以后,龙哥第一句就是“在干嘛呢”,楼主私心觉得,这句话是只有跟很亲的人闲聊才会问的~因为这种开放式问句就是等着对方长篇大论的说近况嘛,不亲的谁有耐心去听啊~不过嘛,其实这里也可以看出胜利的好多事龙哥是不太清楚的,或者说胜利不太和龙哥讲,因为太阳那边龙哥就一语道出了行程,TOP哥的龙哥后面聊起来也说出来了。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册当然了,两个大男人的,其实对彼此行踪很清楚反而是件诡异的事,太阳哥毕竟龙哥顶了个制作人的头衔,知道很正常,TOP哥龙哥也说了,之前打电话有提。而这边胜利一开始说了是放送节目又是regular放送,龙哥就直接问在哪里,说明对他的行程其实还是比较清楚的,不过龙哥又不是经纪人、也没有忙内那强大的兼职经纪人能力,能知道这么多只能说他真的对忙内很关注。而且是要有多怨念,才把“你在日本啊,我都不知道”在打line的空档里又重复了一遍……
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册如果说,上一句还只是闲聊问问,龙哥那句“你昨天不是还在韩国”真心暴露了他对胜利君有多关注,就像我前面说的,胜利也不会行程都告诉龙哥,那么龙哥能说出胜利昨天还在韩国,不是两个人昨天有聊过天或碰过面,就是龙哥默默关注着胜利君的行踪还记在心里。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册当然了,乖乖的胜利君自然是龙哥问了就好好答嘛,其实从他回答的话就可以看出来这个行程很赶,晚上飞的也肯定很累,其实这是很重要的一句话~因为楼主后面很多分析都是基于这个前提的~
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册当龙哥听到他这么折腾感慨着你真忙啊,透漏出他那几分关心时,忙内难得地还挺真挚地回应了一回,大概也是很累了,所以就跟闲话家常一样地说着,“要跟随哥啊,要做哥很帅的弟弟啊”,然后还很可爱的接了一句,“很帅气吧”,来跟他一直以来最喜欢的龙哥求赞扬。
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楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-29 12:10:00 +0800 CST  
你们看上图龙哥是多么甜蜜地笑了就该知道他有多喜欢胜利的这番话,于是即使话被打断也很坚定地回他说,“嗯,很帅”。这里我又要说了,龙哥真心在胜利面前气场好弱,无论是胜利line还是他自己line,话题都是胜利在主导,偏偏龙哥还总是一副乐呵呵地样子,真心是他说什么就是什么,他想说什么就说什么吧。
所以说咯,论世间情为何物,不过是一物降一物。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册当然了,这里也可以看出龙哥和胜利谈话,跟和太阳谈话时的区别,太阳那里龙哥上来没多久就把节目全称给说了,然后两个人就开始一唱一和地给彼此新专辑做公关。和胜利却拖到现在才讲,前面纯闲聊去了,而且我想说他们两个真心默契好,龙哥一说胜利就知道是line了。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册其实龙哥要一个人自high地谈话,还真心不行,前面气氛就很静谧,也可以看得出他很拘谨、觉得这么自己一个劲说挺累的,比起胜利那期的各种自high,确实是沉闷了点。不过我还是想说,有句话很精辟,看一个人多会恋爱只要看他怎么打电话就知道了,龙哥前面和粉丝的通话真心高手啊,一点尴尬的氛围都没有,真的和他说的跟朋友一样。我记得在油管看过他们早期radio里成员几个和一个粉丝装作恋人的通话,底下一堆外国妹子就在说龙哥真是smooth talker,太会说话调情了,把对话进行的特别顺,让人看着都很心动。其实那个视频里胜利也不差,不过在对话气氛的营造上,还是龙哥更胜一筹。可是龙哥那么高超的措辞对话能力,跑到胜利这里却总是无效,导致每次不是笑得一口大白牙把发言机会都让给了胜利,就是一脸宠溺地顺着他说,或是直接拜托他帮忙说。
而且亲们对比一下他和太阳对话时那种比较玩闹的态度,就可以看出来,龙哥这里这句“不知道该做什么”是比较软的,就好像抛出个梗希望胜利能来帮帮他一样。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册默契度很高的胜利君,于是一语道破地说,所以是因为一个人,觉得很难吗?说明胜利其实很清楚龙哥不擅长这个,一个人做这种谈话会觉得很累,也挺在乎他龙哥的。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册其实我觉得整段里最萌的就是这个瞬间了,当龙哥软软地承认他觉得很难的时候。实话说,龙哥面对各种事情,或许会开玩笑地说自己很爱哭,但让他放下担子,真的承认他做不好一件事,或是很累,其实真的几乎没有。可是在胜利面前,龙哥对脆弱的地方总是特别诚实,也特别能接受胜利的安慰。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册实话说,像胜利这样安慰,真的很没新意,也就是说了一个既成事实而已,但是龙哥却好像他说了就会没事一样,立刻很温暖地笑了,还回了一句“知道了”。楼主看着就感觉好像小的时候自己做不好什么时,爸爸跑来说别担心,然后就瞬间安心了的感觉一样。想想大概从当初胜利那句“我会救你”开始,龙哥就把胜利当作一个特别安心的存在了吧,所以在任何人面前都不会示弱的龙哥却会把主导权交给胜利,主动说出自己的不安。
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册对了,其实这里还有一个萌点,龙哥听完了后还说了“你的话真的……”然后就被胜利打断了……我是真的很想知道龙哥打算接什么……你的话真温暖?
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册不过当然了,综艺老手,即使远程也想帮他哥正常进行节目的胜利君,立刻直接把主持的任务接过来,跟龙哥说,你得问我问题啊?然后龙哥终于意识到,他们的闲话家常已经把无数line上求互动的粉丝给抛在脑后了,于是两个人开始了粉丝互动环节。
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楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-29 13:05:00 +0800 CST  
当龙哥很二的拿出手机终于想起要问粉丝问胜利什么,而胜利拿出校长给红花的腔调说,“诶,这就对了,快去问问粉丝有什么想说的” 楼主真心是默默捶地傻笑了半天,表示虽然龙哥一直很逆生长……可是忙内你怎么可以这么有气势~果然是经常讲课自带教育性口吻了么……
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册如果说忙内那么严肃地表扬志龙同学我还只是觉得很搞笑,当龙哥汇报情况地说着,“我可以实时通讯的,等下哦”时,楼主真心被他们戳了萌点,不觉得龙哥这么嫩的样子很少见吗?
图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册后面大家看过的都知道啦,粉丝问对于胜利来说龙哥是?
然后胜利唱了,对于干渴的他来说,志龙是水一样的存在。
虽然这一段本身爆点就很多,但我觉得最萌的是龙哥只是从他唱歌,就听出了他真的很累这件事。不知道亲们看视频时有没有注意到,胜利这次line真的是累得搞笑不起来,而且挤在录节目之间还是之后帮龙哥做节目,就因为龙哥一句觉得很艰难。所以谁说胜利对龙哥不好的?人家那绝对是真爱。
那么龙哥呢?他比任何人都在意胜利很累这件事,反复地确认,你是累了吧?你没精神了吧?你是醉了吗?你很忙啊?几次想要挂电话,可能不只是工作人员指挥,也是他听出了胜利的疲惫和勉强,也记得他还在录节目。
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当然了,比龙哥还要倔强的胜利是不会直接说他很累、他做不了这个综艺的,他把对话自顾自地进行下去,重复着龙哥对他来说是水一样的存在。可是就像前面有些亲说的,胜利傲娇属性也不浅啊,怎么可能耿直地承认龙哥对他的重要呢,于是反复地说着“只有渴的时候”。龙哥虽然一开始听着低头笑了,可是转脸就一本正经的说,所以是必要的存在,为这段对话做了结尾,表情是鲜少对胜利的强势哦。
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图片来自:rococo小A的百度相册后面他们接茬问胜利fans是什么,不过这个没8点,只能为胜利的机敏点赞,这么独特的解释都想得出来,真是像龙哥说的,你真行啊……
然后后面龙哥其实又转回了弱弱地求助模式,真的是语调越说越低,明显是一堆人盯着他压力山大,很担心自己不搞笑的状态。其实我想说,龙哥你安静的说话也很有魅力,真心不用这么提心吊胆,多学学你们家忙内,该放开的时候要放开啊~~~果然是最后也没借到忙内的《赢的习惯》么?
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楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-29 14:01:00 +0800 CST  
那么接着来说说集中在最后一段的对话,楼主觉得,龙哥借着秀斌xi把想对胜利说的话都说了这个大概是大家公认的吧,所以也没什么好八的。
而要说胜利有多么累,从他回复里就可见一斑,他连着两次的“秀斌xi,谢谢你”,完全是累得脑子都不运作了。大家熬夜之类的时候应该也都有那种感觉吧,就是别人和你说话都慢半拍,根本反应不来的情况。

胜利在这个时候大概也是觉得他这种状态帮龙哥做节目也出不了什么效果,所以话锋一转,问起了其他几个哥哥,其实潜台词就是,哥你要不去找另一个哥哥再撑一会儿。龙哥听了他那意思,真的是瞬间领会,就直接说,“总之,挂了哦“ 不过大概终究有些失落脸也是瞬间冷了下来。
可是胜利君跟他哥都这么多年了,怎么可能听不出那几分不快,立刻表态,”哥,你可以再利用我一会儿“ 我有时候觉得胜利君真是成熟得让人心疼,他其实大可以顺着龙哥的话就挂了的,可是在知道龙哥觉得累又没有可以其它member可以接着陪龙哥聊时,即使累成那样,还是撑着继续帮龙哥MC,帮龙哥打歌。相对的龙哥也知道胜利是强打精神在陪他聊,于是当胜利憋出笑声时,他只能告诉他,笑不出的时候可以不要笑。
其实你们去看剪辑时长就该知道了,太阳才短短的3分多,龙tory愣是撑了8分左右,胜利君真是拿森命在帮他哥撑场子啊。
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不行了……真心没灵感……最近背单词背得中文都用不好了……
筒子们看看就过吧…反正就看图说话……

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-29 14:51:00 +0800 CST  
顺便再放个边角料~~这个嘛~你们可以当是海外饭脑补品~~
每当胜利和美女的照片爆出来的那天,龙哥都恰好在twitter上刷gloomy sunday。。。。
信不信就见仁见智啦~~楼主走了~周末看看能不能lu出高质量的东西来~~~
欢迎童鞋们随意补料插楼帮盖楼~以上


楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-29 15:16:00 +0800 CST  
视频来自:优酷

因为今天不更新~所以来放个我非常非常喜欢的饭制龙tory小动画吧~
论龙哥是如何每日zuo死却被神经大条的胜利君给pass掉的~


楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-05-30 08:55:00 +0800 CST  
楼主今天依旧是懒得思考的状态……所以纯放图……不说话……
预告一下:下周如果更新,就是各种易招黑内容,谨慎入坑啊,亲们~

原来看小道说龙哥下车习惯伸手搀胜酱一把,我总觉得有点夸张……嗯……现在我信了。
原来看分析贴说塔塔是龙tory脑残粉,我总觉得有点恶搞……嗯……现在我懂了。
原来看同人文总把龙哥写的像个痴汉,我总觉得有点夸张……嗯……现在我明白了。

原来听别人说胜酱日文是为龙哥学的,我总觉得有点脑动过大……嗯……原来是真的。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-01 10:47:00 +0800 CST  
再来随便丢个龙哥的line吧……可能大家都看过了,但楼主真心觉得好暖。
〔胜利永远在自拍,龙哥永远在拍胜利〕。。。。
龙哥……看你最后风中萧瑟的表情就知道你有多寂寞了……
不过胜利君其实是很贴心的……看到龙哥在看他就立刻拉着合拍了……
龙哥……别傲娇了……我知道你内心很哈皮……摆了很多表情……






楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-01 10:55:00 +0800 CST  
楼主最近犯懒……有点愧对在楼里的大家……所以……我羞愧的闪了。。。。。。


楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-01 11:00:00 +0800 CST  
楼主默默飘回来说一句……抱歉了~筒子们~其实我打到一半多~但是过几天要交个很重要的报告所以我有空就努力打完吧~~没空就……嘿嘿……等打完了再回楼……
不过再放点最近攒的料吧…广州fanmeeting图都被po烂了,楼主就也不po啦…
来弄点family con上可能没被po的东西~~看过的mina san就对不起了……楼主真心不是攒料达人~
其实胜利君最喜欢的是长伴他哥左右哦~就算drama拍得很忙,但有机会聚这两个也是扎堆的~不过是真心低调而已……


这个嘛~是真的眼很尖的龙猫咪从短短几分的超人归来里八出来的哦~
在haru去见他好不容易睡醒的龙王子的那一幕里~

其实始终在左右默默装着透明人一声不吭的可能是胜利君哦~

所以你们是不在一起会死星人吗?!


哦对了~还有哦~你们看到top哥送往andhere的大猩猩有木有觉得双胜贤很有爱啊~
其实龙tory也不差啦~


那张龙哥图是比较早之前出来的~他当时还赞了好几幅……
AndHere里那几幅单幅画可能是龙哥送的,也可能是胜利君私心stalk龙哥后淘的~反正都很有爱呀~
哦对了~还有一个被8出来的很可爱的料~不过因为没被截图~所以看看就好~我也不知道有多真~
其实胜利君在drama期间好几次“不小心”follow了龙猫咪的twitter~~然后几个小时后秒取关……到目前为止已经有两次了……两次都是两个人不在一起的时候……
所以胜利君你是偷偷在追龙tory的tag来思念你哥吗???
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楼主再一次奔走……下回见~~~~


楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-04 09:49:00 +0800 CST  
楼主回来发那篇很有名的荷兰BB粉外网后记带自己的分析,可能好多人都看过了,另外翻译是混合了自己做的一些的,因为有些部分原来的翻译并不是很准确甚至有些歪曲了原来的意思~好多人可能不是很信这个,但是核对了好多这些年的事,和社交网络上他们各种被曝或自曝的照片,楼主还是觉得这篇11年的后记可信度挺高的。其实作为饭来说,我觉得最好的是专注在他们的音乐上,因为那才是对他们希望塑造的artist而不是idol身份的尊重,要相信他们的才华不会因为一些事件而被磨灭,好的音乐总是值得去听的。至于他们的性格和生活,归根结底我们也只是雾里看花,借着已有的资源自己去脑补,但是大家也知道大多数官方内容都只是他们公众形象的延伸,这篇后记不一定是100%真实,但楼主在考察了一些东西,觉得至少有一部分是可信的,所以就发来娱乐下,作为消失这么久的赔礼。
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Hi VIP world. I am Chantal from the Netherlands. This year I graduated from college and my parents generously gave me a 1-week vacation in Seoul. I admit Big Bang, and my bias Seungri, is instrumental in my choice of destination. Sorry for this long fan account, but I promise you this is juicy.


Hi VIP world。我是来自荷兰的Chantal。我今年刚从大学毕业,而父母很慷慨地给了我首尔1周游作为毕业礼物。我要承认BigBang,尤其是我主担的胜利是我选择去首尔的主要原因,请原谅我发了一篇这么长的后记,但我保证会非常有料。

It's my luck that my Polish friend is currently an English major in Seoul NU. We share a common love for BB and we spent a great deal of my trip hanging out with super duper hardcore VIPS. My friend, who's somewhat wild, made friends with official VIPs after she attended the Dream Concert back in 2009. I believe they are the type of fans Jaejoong rants about because they are sort of stalkerish. I planned my Seoul trip very well, and communicated with a small group of Korean BB fans prior to my trip.


我很走运的有一个波兰的朋友现在正在首尔大学念英语专业,并且同样喜欢BB,所以我旅程的大部分都在她的陪伴下跟很痴迷的VIP一起行动。我朋友是个比较狂野大胆的人,所以在2009年dream concert时有意去结识了许多真的很资深的VIP。我相信他们应该就是在中公开骂过的那种喜欢尾随的。我把首尔之行计划的很好,而且和一小组韩国的BB饭事先久沟通过。
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楼主说:
其实看了上面那段,可能大家也都明白了,这荷兰妹子去首尔其实压根就是跟着私生去当私生了。当时刚出的时候,很多人都在质疑私生怎么可能让别人那么轻易地混进他们的圈子,这里就要涉及对私生文化更深入的介绍了。youtube上有两个纪录片其实对这个很深入地探索了,在海外或愿意翻墙的妹子可以去看看,直接搜Sasaeng documentary就会出来。
好多时候报道上只有关于私生疯狂行径的描述,却没有涉及他们那个圈子是如何运作的,其实私生也是个非常精密的机构,你可以把他们视作一家独立的私家侦探机构。他们往往会有一个头,主管那些年轻一点的人去通过不同途径获取信息。许多刚毕业或在大学的私生,都会寻找电信公司,信用卡公司,互联网公司的工作,以获取偶像的保密信息,而他们这个网络最核心在于彼此信息资源的共享。年轻一点的,甚至会去进行yuan。。zhu。。交际来支持他们追车和雇佣私家侦探所需的高额费用。韩国的私生出租车甚至是一个特色业务,方便私生可以直接包车进行全日跟踪。更黑暗的是,有些私生还会通过勒索普通粉丝来获取资金,而普通粉丝得罪了私生,好多时候还会不能出席偶像的表演。总而言之,这是个比一般粉丝会还要精密高效并且黑暗的组织。
地址:youtube。com / watch?v=8QEDhh89ZLs

而这里就要说为什么这个荷兰妹子可以混进他们圈子里,不仅仅是她的朋友早就算她们圈子里的人,纪录片里有说,其实那也是私生获得信息的一种策略。因为海外饭(尤其是洋人)去韩国一般会得到许多福利,像是去放松表演就可以在前排之类的,而私生只要跟他们一起,就也可以享受这些福利,所以私生本就会主动找海外饭跟他们说我们会说韩语会带你到处走,只要你付车钱和饭钱,这不过是她们的其中一个策略。在往下看你们就会知道,其实这个妹子的表述,还是跟私生圈很吻合的,而且她也确实因为洋人身份而获得了福利。
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So we spent 4 days as undercover/stalker/spy fans because we hung around YGE and spied the members' cars to wherever they went to. Yes. I became a sasaeng along with 4 Korean teens and 2 unnies (they were 25 yrs old and have been fans since 06). They were official VIPs and have patterned their schedule with pretty much all their free time spent on fanning over the boys, staking out in YGE, etc. They even told me I should have went on March and April so that I could have maximized my stalker plans.

于是我们花了四天堵在YG大楼周围甚至跟踪成员的车到他们去的地方。是的,我跟着4个韩国少女和2个大姐(他们当时25岁从06年就是饭)成为了私生。她们是职业VIP,并且把自己每天安排得所有的闲暇时间都用在了跟踪几个成员和守在YG大楼外上。她们甚至告诉我,应该在3月或4月来,这样能最优化我的跟踪计划(应该是说当时他们出行比较多?)。

To organize this, I divided my account in the following: stalking YGE; bars in Hongdae ang Kangnam: Korean VIP insider info on BB. YES, I WAS ELBOW TO ELBOW WITH THREE MEMBERS, BREATHING THE SAME AIR, DANCING TO THE SAME MUSIC, DRINKING THE SAME ALCOHOL in the same bars.
我的后记被分成了以下几个部分:在YG大楼堵人;在宏大和江南得酒吧;以及VIP对BB的内线情报。我曾和三个成员在同一间酒吧,呼吸着同样的空气,对着同样的音乐跳舞,喝着同样的酒。

Stalking YGE
YG大楼篇

YGE is not so big. Contrary to the pics, I was pretty surprised to see that it wasn't as big as I expected. However the security is really strict because there are 2 men on the look out almost all the time. We staked out about 5-7 meters away from the entrance. At least 10 other fans were doing the same thing we did in all those days, and we were a big group. You see cars come and go all the time, but rarely will you get a glimpse of YGE stars. However we were really lucky because in the four days that we hung around, we saw at least 1 BB member.
YG大楼其实不是很大。与照片相反,我在发现它没有我想像中那么大时还挺惊讶的。不过保安措施很好,有两个男人几乎全天在站岗。我们滞留在离入口5-7米外的地方。至少有10个别的粉丝那些天也在做我们做的事,所以我们一群其实挺多人的。你几乎每时每刻都会看到车进出,但是却很少能一窥YG的明星。不过我们还满幸运的,在晃悠的四天里看到了不止一个BB成员。

On the first day we saw the girl from SG in a black van. She's not so pretty, but really sexy. At around 9 Youngbae came with his manager! He's really short! I think I was as tall as his chin, and I am only 63 inches tall. But he was so fashionable that morning, like he had a gig or something. He wasn't very friendly to the fans but he smiled. He looked tired. I was content just looking at him, but damn the Korean fans are so aggressive I tell you. They all surrounded him and shouted like crazy it wasn’t even funny. My friend and I stayed behind cuz we didn’t know how to react. After about ten mins or so, a couple of them got signatures and they shouted like crazy for YB that the security reprimanded the crowd.

(前略)第一天大约九点的时候,永裴和他的经纪人出现了!他真的很矮!我想我大概到他的下巴,而我也只有160。可是他那天早上打扮的很时髦,可能是有表演或什麼的。虽然没有特别友善,但是他有微笑,看起来很累。我对於可以看到他本人就已经很满足了,但是那些韩饭超可怕的,他们包围著他,疯狂尖叫,场面并不好看。我和朋友站在后面,因为有点不知所措。大概十分钟之后,有一些歌迷拿到了签名,疯了般的在尖叫,让警卫不得不出面。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-26 14:34:00 +0800 CST  
On the fourth day, we stalked out again in the morning and I didn’t sleep properly. I wish I did because that was the day when I finally got face-to-face with SEUNGRI! In the two past nights we stalked the boys in night clubs, I only saw Seungri from a distance of about 10 meters or so. BUT THIS TIME I GOT SO CLOSE! It was around 10 or so, I wasn’t sure, when a black car arrived (all boys have black cars according to the Korean fans. YB’s Mercedes, GD’s Chrysler, Dae’s Audi were black, and even TOP’s Hyundai was also black). GD also had another white luxury car which was either Bentley or Chrysler, didn’t get to confirm. Ri was in a black sedan type Jaguar. I thought it would be Teddy or maybe YG himself because it was so flashy. BUT IT WAS PANDA! He’s driving a black Jaguar! WE MOBBED HIM AND I DIDN’T EVEN THINK TWICE! He got out of the car and it was like a Valet or something. HE STAYED! Unlike GD, Seungri was soooooooooooo warm and so close and so happy and so charming and so… maybe it’s my bias talking. SORRY! In the past three days I stopped myself from attacking them, but this time I didn’t! I RAN TOWARDS HIM LIKE THE OTHERS! Maybe because of my camera, or my caucasian features, but Panda said “No pictures please, no no no no. Okay?” HE WAS SOOOO CUTE! I said “Sure, sure, but please sign this, I’m from the Netherlands!” “Ooh Netherlands. Waaaaaah. So beautiful.” I DIDN’T KNOW IF HE WAS SAYING THAT TO ME OR MY COUNTRY O MY FUCKING GLORY! He signed my hanky and my notebook. He’s soooooo nice! He signed as much as he could. And at that moment I just stared at him and smiled and I thought to myself maybe I am a really good person for being able to have met them like this. Oh also we saw Psy again and this time he was driving.

第四天,我们再次大清早的去报到。我前一晚没有睡好,让我很懊恼,因为那是我终於和胜利面对面的一天阿!前两个晚上,我们都跟著男孩们到夜店去,我只能从大概10米远的距离看著胜利。但是这次我靠他真的很近!大概是十点左右,我也不是很确定,有一辆黑色的车子出现。(韩饭说成员们都有黑色的车子,永裴的是宾士,GD的是克莱斯勒,大声是奥迪,TOP的Hyundai也是黑的。) GD还有另外一辆白色豪车,好像不是宾利就是克莱斯勒,没有被证实。胜利坐在一辆Jaguar轿车上,我本来以为是Teddy还是YG本人,因为那辆车太华丽显摆了。但是竟然是Panda!他开著黑色的Jaguar!我甚至没有多想就跟着人群冲上前包围他!他下车了可能是有代替停车的,然后留下来了!不像GD,胜利是那~~~~~~麼温暖,那麼亲切,
那麼开心,那麼诱人,那么…… 我想是因为他是我的本命吧!SORRY!过去三天我都只是站在后面克制着没有攻击他们,但是这次我没有!我就像其他人一样向他冲过去!不知道是因为我的相机还是或许是我的白人面孔,Panda说 『No pictures please,no no no no。Okay?』他真的好可爱!我说『Sure,sure,but please sign this,I‘m from the Netherlands!』『Ooh Netherlands,Waaaaaah。So beautiful。』我不知道他是在说我还是在说我的国家,我的老天阿!!他在我的笔记本和手巾上签了名,他人真的很~~~~好!他尽量帮大家签名,此时的我,只能看著他傻笑,我在心里对自己说,我一定是个很善良的人才能这样遇到他们。我们这天也有看到Psy。
I met Seungri 2x, G-Dragon 4 fucking times, TOP 3x, and YB 2x. I’m so sad I didn’t get to see Daesung. But like Korean fans said, Dae was “hiding.” Yup, my friend said that their exact words translated were “hiding” and “making peace.” I interpreted that Dae was making amends and was embarrassed to look at the fans. Poor Daesung. I admit it made me a little sad that the boys (esp. GD) were having a little too much fun in bars, while Dae was “making peace.” But they have a life. More on that later.

我一共等到胜利两次,GD四次,TOP三次,永裴两次。没看到大声让我很难过。但是就像韩饭说的,大声现在『隐藏起来了』。没错,我的朋友翻译给我说,他们用了躲藏和平息争议这两个词。我想大声或许觉得很难面对歌迷并且正在反省吧。我承认我在看到其他成员(尤其是GD)在酒吧里玩的这麼开心的同时,大声只能一个人平息争议,让我有点难过。但是他们有自己的生活。后面再详细说

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-26 14:35:00 +0800 CST  
Oh wait, my mind is a scramble right now, so allow me to give their physical impressions on me now before I blab more later.
等下,我的大脑现在乱成一团,还是让我唠叨下他们的外贸再接着说吧。
TOP: Tall, fashionable, FAIR SKINNED AND SMOOTH! and sooooooooooooooo GOOD LOOKING EVEN FROM 5 meters away!
TOP: 很高,很时尚,皮肤不错很光滑!非~~~常帅,就算站在五米外看他也是如此。
YB: Short and really muscular. However, he’s not scary muscular. He was pretty small-framed and really little.
YB: 矮但是很壮。但是不是那种很可怕的壮,骨架很小,整个人很小只。
GD: Extremely good-lookin, and he’s not even my bias. His skin is also smooth and quite silky (or oily?) I don’t know, it shined from smoothness, if that’s possible. AND HE IS RIDICULOUSLY EXTREMELY FASHIONABLE from head to toe. Of the five, he’s the one who screams “celebrity.” OH DID I MENTION HE SMELLS SOOOOOOOOOOOO FREAKING GOOD. It's a mixture of perfume, smoke and alcohol. Sorry, GD drinks. BIG TIME.
GD: 即使不是我的本命,我也要说他真的极度的好看。他的皮肤像丝绸般光滑(或是油腻?)我不知道,或许是因为太光滑而发光?还有他从头到脚不可思议的时尚感。五个人中,他是那个一看就知道是名人的。哦,我有说他的闻起来有多好吗?是一种香水和菸还有酒的混合。抱歉,GD喝酒。而且很凶。
Seungri: SO FUCKING HANDSOME! I can’t even. The cameras don’t do him any justice at all! He’s not too small like YB, but not too tall. I think I was on his neck? HIS SMILE AND EYES ARE KILLER I CAN DIE FROM HAPPINESS NOW
Seungri: 太他。妈的帅!我甚至无法形容。镜头对他实在不公平!他并不像永裴那麼小只,但是也不是太高。我想我应该是到他的脖子吧?他的微笑和眼神都是杀人武器,我现在可以因为过於兴奋而死亡吧!
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明天回来更第二部份

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-26 14:36:00 +0800 CST  
补下被吞的2、3天
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The next morning we staked outthe same time, and we arrived the same time as Youngbae and Jiyong. They werein a white car, sedan style and Jiyong was driving. The fans went crazy and myfriend and I also joined them. However both of them were not in the mood andthey didn’t even look at us. IfI was a new person I would have been offended because the looks on their faceswere kind of.... disgusted? But just like the Korean fans, I understood. Iexpected some of them to talk badly or something, but damn their devotion and loyaltywas no joke. It's like they knew of the moods of the boys. Anyway, we waitedfor another three hours and lo and behold, Ji and TOP and YB went out to ride ablack van. It was all so fast all we could do was call their name. YB waved atus, and I'd like to believe he wanted to be nicer from his attitude earlier. GDwas still smug and frowning. Sadly the Koreans said that GD was naturally snob.If he was friendlier, they would have been more surprised. I asked if theyfound it unappealing or ugly, but they said that was Jiyong's charm. They saidGD was the cold guy who everyone likes, but those who don’t will think why they like him for beingrude. I didn’t get it at thattime, but my interpretation was GD was the kind of college heartthrob who didn’t give a fuck if people like him etc. Andthe Koreans are crazy about him for this attitude. Anyway, the k-fans mobbedthe van like crazy to get their attention! Since my friend and I were the oddones out, we chickened out again. Luckily, TOP waved his hand, and magicallythey stopped surrounding the van. It’s like they were waiting for even the slightest attention. CRAZY!
第二天早上,我们大约同一个时间抵达,正好遇到永裴和志龙。他们坐在一辆由志龙驾驶的白色车子上。歌迷瞬间疯狂,我和我朋友也加入了。可是他们好像都心情不是很好,甚至没有看我们一眼。如果我不了解,可能会生气,因为他们脸上的表情有点像是..觉得我们很恶心? 但是就像韩饭一样,我可以理解。我本来以为有些人会因此不高兴,说他们坏话之类,但是那些饭的忠诚和奉献真的不是开玩笑的,就好像他们了解每个成员的心情一样。三个小时后,志龙,永裴和TOP走出来,坐上一辆黑色房车。事情发生的太快,我们只能呼喊他们的名字。YB对我们挥手了,我想相信他是想比早上的态度表现得更好点。GD的脸色还是皱著眉非常冷傲。韩饭说GD天生就比较清高。如果GD今天对他们太友善,她们还会被吓到吧。我问他们会不会觉得他这样很不吸引人或是难看,他们说这就是他的魅力。他们形容GD是那种大家都爱的冷酷的人,但是不了解的人就会不懂他们为什麼会喜欢他的无礼。我当时并不是很懂,但是我的解读是,GD或许是那种不在乎别人喜不喜欢他的万人迷吧。而韩饭就是喜欢他这种调调。无论如何,韩饭这时候疯狂的巴在车子边,希望可以引起他们注意!因为我和我朋友反而看着比较奇怪,所以我们又一次躲在了后面。很幸运的是,TOP挥了挥手,韩饭就神奇地不再围住车子了,就好像他们只是在等待一点关注。CRAZY!

On the third day, we were freshfrom our night out in Hongdae (where we saw Ji, TOP and Panda), so we stalkedout later. We chose to go to YG at 4-7 pm so we can go straight to Kangnam.Again, we saw GD and he was riding a small black car, if I’m not mistaken it was a Chrysler because ofthe winged logo. It was different from the white car he was driving yesterday.Anyway, like usual he snobbed the fans but some of them surrounded his caranyway. He was stuck so he waved for security, pulled the window, and he signedsome shirts and other stuffs but he didn't even smile. But mind you, the girlsstill cried (one teenager was really crying so much). I was starting to getpissed at Jiyong because he was so unfriendly, and the Korean unnies told us GDchanged over the years. They said that back then, GD was very sweet andendearing, but they observed that after his solo album, GD became distant andcold. From there I understood. I don’t regard myself as an expert, but I just graduated with a degree inPsychology and I can see through what the fans told us. Of course I’m not saying it’s true, but from their stories, it seemed GD became really aloof andquiet to the fans after all his controversies in 2009. He mentioned in oneinterview that after all the issues from his solo album, he learned to keep hishead down right? Poor Jiyong. That day we also saw Psy and Kang Hyejung intheir respective vans. However, I don’t really know them so I can’t say anything. Some fans were rudely calling Psy’s name though, he waved at us, and you cantell he has a kind nature because of his very kind face.
第三天,我们因为刚从弘大的夜生活(在那里我们看到了志龙,TOP,和熊猫)缓过来而晚一点才去大楼围堵。我们决定在下午四点到七点左右到YG,这样可以之后直接到江南。我们又看到了GD开著一辆黑车,如果我没有看错的话,那是克莱斯勒,因为那个LOGO。和他昨天开的白车不一样。一如往常,他无视了粉丝,但是他们还是围绕在他车子边,他因为无法移动而向警卫招手,拉下窗户,在一些衣服和东西上签名但是笑都没笑下。不过那些女孩还是哭了(有一个少女哭得非常厉害)。我开始因为他如此不友好的态度而对他有点生气,但是韩饭姊姊告诉我说,GD这几年改变很多。以前的他很贴心很亲切,但是他们观察到在他的个人专辑之后他就不一样了,他变的很有距离感,很冷淡。这个时候我才理解了。我不觉得自己是专家,但刚从心理学系毕业,所以可以透析这些歌迷告诉我的。也不是说就一定是真的,但根据他们说的,GD是在在经过09年的那些是是非非后才对粉丝变得沉默疏远了。在某次访谈中,他曾说过在经历了因为他的个人专辑而引起的是非话题后,他开始学习让自己低调。可怜的志龙。我们那天还看到Psy和姜惠贞各自在他们的车上。因为不是很认识他们,所以我没有什麼可以多说的。有些粉丝很没礼貌滴直呼他的名字,他还是向我们招手了,而你一看就知道他是个好人。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-26 14:39:00 +0800 CST  
奔来更新啦~亲说前面那段没爆点,嘛这一部分就是真的比较重口的了。唔,大家看看就好,信不信的自己决定吧~


Night Out in Seoul
首尔夜生活篇


Okay, here’s were it gets dirty. The following postscontain lots of following around, stalking etc. The K-fans got an insider infothat Seungri was going to NB, a YG-family bar. One of the K-fans had aconnection (she was 32 years old and still likes BB) so it was easier to enter.It was so expensive to survive the night. SO PRICY IT TOOK MY DAILY SAVINGS FORTHAT TRIP! And it was the weekend! Okay, so the Koreans knew that NB was packedon a Friday night so they told us that the best way to make sure we got closeto the boys was to stalk them from YGE or the apartment or in some places. Wedivided into groups. We stalked the YGE building which we just left about 5hours prior. Man in that 5 hours all I did was visit Lotte. So we were notlucky because we waited outside YGE until 7 but they weren’t there. They weren’t in the dorm either. But some K-fans tipped that Ri left theuniversity at 7:30 with friends. So that group in Chungang was the one whostalked Ri’s cars. We got toHongdae at 8 and entered at 9. The Chungang group wasn’t there yet, so maybe Ri wasn’t there too!
Okay, 接下来的内容就比较…掉节操了。接下来的内容包含很多跟踪他们的细节了。韩饭得到内幕消息说胜利要去NB (YG家族的夜店),其中一个已经32岁但还是很喜欢BB的韩饭有管道让我们比较容易就进去了。(中略)那天晚上是周末,韩饭知道NB里面会挤满了人,所以他们说能确保接近他们的方法是从YG大楼或是宿舍或是其他地方就开始跟踪。我们分成了好几个小组,再次回到我五个小时前才离开的YG大楼。(略)不幸的,我们在YG大楼外面等到7点才发现他们没有在那里,他们也不在宿舍。但是有韩饭告诉我们说胜利在7点半左右和朋友从大学离开,所以那群守在中央大学的韩饭跟到胜利的车。我们大概8点左右到弘大,9点进去NB。发现那群韩饭还没到,所以胜利应该也还不在那里。


In NB, it was so difficult toenter. They had ID system, security check etc. Wow. NB cost 15000 won forentrance alone! And drinks inside were expensive. But it was a good bar withgood music and party people. Didn’t expect Koreans to be this party ready! There were hundreds ofpeople inside, and it got so difficult to look for celebs. Koreans said thecelebs would usually wear clothes that hid their faces, but they said that JYPand some rappers and idols also frequented the place. I was on the look out forany 2PM or Beast members, but I couldn’t find any because it was so packed with people! Anyway, there was atunnel at the back where VIP (as in important people) enter, and the Koreanswere tipped that a huge number of celebs were entering. It was heavily guardedbut you could definitely see who was entering.
NB真的很难进去,要检查ID还有随身物品。进场要15000韩圜!里面的酒水也很贵,但是音乐和人群都很不错。上百人在里面,很难找到明人。韩国人说明人通常会穿著遮住脸的衣服,但是像是JYP还有一些饶舌歌手或是偶像很常来。我试著看看能不能找到2PM或是Beast的成员,但是因为人太多也找不到!anyway,在后面有一个通道让VIP贵宾入场,韩国饭有内线消息说很多明星正在入场,虽然警卫守的很紧,还是可以看到谁在进场。



The next minutes would be themost shocking moments of my life. First I saw was a very familiar tall man whowas wearing shades and scarf on the neck. MOTHERFUCKING LORD IT WAS CHANSUNG OF2PM! Oh my lord. Instead of partying I kept my eye on Chansung but he entered aVIP room somewhere on the second floor. I don’t know. I lost him! FUCK! Anyway, if Chansung was seen I waspositive I could see Seungri too! Damn what was taking him so long. So thehours went and I didn’t seeanyone, but the Koreans said that some famous rappers also entered the place.What surprised me was how no one went crazy like a wild fan upon seeing somestars. It’s like a normal placewhere those celebs were comfortable. I guess bars are really like that there inSeoul. Anyway I had the dance of my life when the fans went crazy becausesomeone came again. It was a very pretty girl in some shiny jeggings and awesomehat, the kind of Lady Gaga hat that covers half your face. I didn't recognizeher, but the boys were going crazy. She was accompanied by three otherfashionable girls, and I thought maybe it was 2NE1? Or maybe miss A becausethere were four of them. Damn even I knew that was too good to be true. Wewalked closer and the Korean fans were murmuring like crazy, and I onlyunderstood that when my friend went crazy. My friend would only shout for afemale idol if it was SNSD. AND BAM! She said it was Yuri! FUCK MY LIFE. I wasalready going crazy from knowing that 2 Korean idols were in the same bar. Iasked if it was Yuri with other SNSD members, but no, they said it was justYuri with some friends. I lost her again, fuck. She went to the second floor. Iwas always on the look out on the second floor because celebs were there.
下一秒钟是我人生中最震撼的一刻!我先是看到一个面熟的高个子,我的天阿,是2PM的灿成!我的眼睛一直盯著他,但是他进入二楼的贵宾室后就找不到了。我知道,如果我看到灿成,那我一定也可以看到胜利!时间一分一秒过去,我没有看到任何人,但是有韩饭说有一些很有名的饶舌歌手也来了。让我惊讶的是没有人有任何太大的反应,就好像是个让明星也可以很自在的地方。我想首尔的夜店应该就是这样吧。

当群众因为某人来了而陷入疯狂时,我正沉浸在音乐中。那是个很漂亮的女生,穿着闪亮的紧腿裤,戴著那种像是Lady Gaga一样可以遮住半张脸的帽子。我没有认出他是谁,但是现场的男生都疯了,她身边有另外三个也很时尚的女生,我开始想该不会是2NE1或是miss A?因为有四个人,但是我知道那也美好的太不可能了。我们挤进一点,听到韩饭在窃窃私语,我在我朋友也疯了的时候才知道是谁,因为我朋友只会为一个女偶像团体尖叫,就是少女时代。他说是Yuri! FUCK MY LIFE!我已经因为和两个偶像同时在夜店而疯狂了~我问说其他人是不是少时的成员,结果不是,只有Yuri和她朋友。她也上了二楼,我一直注意著二楼,因为明星都在那。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-27 09:17:00 +0800 CST  
Okay so the Chungang group called us and said they lost Seungri's car and that they couldn't enter because the club was packed. Poor them. If I was with them I wouldn't have entered. Okay I don't know how to write it anymore. My mind is scrambling. Anyway, lots of other celebs came according to the K-fans, and I didn't even know most of them. I didn't see them, but the Koreans said it was Heechul and some other idols. I didn't know who, but I just knew it was Heechul. DIDN'T SEE THEM OKAY, just writing what the fans said.

另外一群韩饭打电话给我们说他们跟丢了胜利的车,然后因为店里太多人进不来。(中略)韩饭告诉我们说,这个晚上有很多名人来,有很多我根本不知道是谁。我没有看到他们,但是韩饭说有希澈和其他偶像。(略)





The night went on, and I think it was already past midnight when GOD HAVE MERCY BIG BANG CAME. It was just GDTOPSEUNGRI. They entered the front door like ordinary people, not at the back like Yuri and Chansung. The Koreans said BB members are everyday sight in NB and Hongdae, so there was really no point in entering the backdoor. GDTOP loved to party! And you can see GD moving to the music. The Koreans stopped us from mobbing them (which was ironic since they were very pushy in our YGE stakeouts). They said NB was a YG-club, and mobbing BB may get us thrown out. Anyway, I was surprised to hear foreign music, mostly heavy-based hip hop, which GD rapped into. He was so into it. Unlike the moody and reserved Gdragon from the YGE bldg during mornings, club Jiyong was energetic and fun. TOP, like always, was calm and swagger. Like the other celebs they went to the second floor, and that's when we decided to shell out some more money just so we can enter the second floor.
时间过去了,在过了午夜的时候,上帝保佑,Big Bang出现了!就是GD,TOP还有胜利!他们像其他客人一样从大门进来,不像Yuri和灿成从后面的通道。其他韩饭说BB的成员几乎每天都会出现在弘大或NB,所以对他们来说,根本没必要从后门进来。GDTOP很享受PARTY!你可以看到GD随著音乐摆动身体。韩饭不让我们靠近他们,他们说NB是YG的夜店,靠近他们很可能会被踢出去。(略)GD跟著现场播放的外国嘻哈音乐念著RAP,他真的很享受在其中。不像在YG大楼前看到的他,夜店的志龙很活泼很有趣。TOP像平常一样,冷静但是很有腔调。他们和其他明星一样上了二楼,我们决定要多花一点钱,也上去二楼。



The second floor was mostly social people with drinks and near the bar. YOU COULD TELL THERE WERE RICH PEOPLE IN THERE! And GOD HAVE MERCY THERE WAS A BAR! I guess we got it easier because we were foreigners, because they were usually strict in letting ordinary-looking Koreans. Okay, like the ground floor NB2's second floor was also packed, but with younger, less energetic crowd. THEN I SAW THEM! They weren't in a room yet, SR was ordering drinks in the bar. I wanted to run to him but the bar was packed! I couldn't. GD and TOP entered the VIP room, and yes, TOP WAS SMOKING.
(略) 可以感受到二楼都是一些有钱人!我想或许是我们是外国人,所以很简单的就上去,因为他们通常不让看起来很普通的韩国人接近那里。二楼就像楼下一样挤满人,不过更多没那么活泼的年轻人。然后我看到他们了!他们还没进去包厢,胜利正在吧台点喝的,我想要冲向他,但是那边人太多了!GD和TOP进了贵宾室,而且TOP在抽菸。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-27 09:17:00 +0800 CST  
Okay, I don't know how to put it in words so I'll just summarize.

- Seungri dancing with girls (MINDFUCKED)

- Gdragon drinking and drinking and drinking and smoking and drinking

- Seungri and Chansung talking in the bar like close friends. YES, close friends

- TOP dancing animatedly with boys, he never went close to girls, but there were extremely pretty girls entering and leaving their VIP room

- SEUNGRI AND YURI AND CHANSUNG TOASTING LIKE CLOSE FRIENDS. I AM NOT LYING!

- GD coming out of the VIP room with his hands on a girl's shoulder, and SMOKING.

- GD dancing and singing to 2012

- GD passing by me to go to the wash area, and I SMELLED HIM! HE REEKED OF NICOTINE, but damn there was that mix of perfume.

- GD and Yuri greet each other

- Big group cheers with those idols, Yuri and TOP seemed familiar with each other IDK

- Heechul's group leaving at around 2, I saw that Beast guy and some idol girl (the fans said it was a miss A member, they were speaking in Korean I didn't understand) and his group did this manly arm and hand and back thing with TOP and Ri and Chansung inside the bar. TOP and Heechul seemed friendly. Heechul and Yuri laughed. I don't know.

- All night Chansung and Seungri were together with some guys. The others weren't cute.

- GD became hyper at around 3 and danced with all girls, even Yuri. Seungri was laughing maniacally

- I don't know where TOP disappeared to, but the last time I saw him he was holding a beer.
我不知道怎麼形容我接下来看到的,所以我就用条列的方式写下来 :

- 胜利和一些女孩子共舞

- GD一直喝一直喝一直喝,抽一下菸,在继续喝。

- 胜利和灿成在吧台那边像很亲近的朋友一样在聊天。

- TOP和其他男孩玩耍般的跳舞,他完全没有接近任何女生,但是期间有超正的女生们进出他们的贵宾室包厢。

- 胜利,Yuri和灿成互相敬酒,看起来很亲!

- GD搭着一个女生的肩膀从贵宾室走出来依旧在抽菸。

- GD 随著2012歌曲哼唱和跳舞。

- GD 经过我身边去洗手间,我闻到他身上的味道!充满尼古丁,但是该死的还是有那香水味(我想这里她是想强调真的很好闻吧)。

- GD和Yuri彼此打招呼。

- 一大帮偶像一起干杯来着,Yuri和TOP看起来还算熟。我也不确定。

- 希澈那一群大概两点左右离开,我看到Beast的成员还有某个女偶像,其他人说是miss A的成员(估计是JIA)。他们这一群人和 TOP,胜利还有灿成打招呼(是hip hop式的那个),TOP和希澈对彼此挺友好的。(后略)

- 整个晚上胜利和灿成都和一些男生在一起,那些人并没有很好看。

- GD在大概三点的时候变的很HIGH,和所有女生共舞,甚至是Yuri。胜利在疯狂大笑。

- 我不知道TOP跑去哪里了,但是我最后一次看到他的时候,他握著一瓶啤酒。



We left the scene at 4 am and they were still there, but we were so tired and so tipsy already. I think I spent about $100 the whole night, it was crazy. I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT I SAW THREE BB MEMBERS PARTYING IT UP LIKE THERE WAS TOMORROW IN THAT NOISY BASEMENT BAR! GOD DID I SAVE THE WORLD IN MY YESTERLIFE?!?!?!
我们四点左右离开的时候,他们还在那里,但是我们已经又累又晕了。我想我整个晚上可能花了快100美金吧。我不敢相信我看到三个BB成员在那裏像是明天就要世界末日一样疯狂的PARTY!我上辈子是拯救了地球吗?


Next stop was M2 techno club in Kangnam. We had insider stalker information that some members would drop by the district on Saturday night. There was debate among Koreans on which club in Kangnam, since there was another NB club there, then there's the famous Qvo club. It was around 7pm when some unnies confirmed that it would be M2. Okay so I'm getting tired so I'll just summarize the 2nd night life
后面一站是江南的M2电音club。我们听到内幕消息说几个成员星期六晚上会在那片区域,韩饭自己也再争论会是江南的哪一个夜店,因为那边也有一个NB还有别的有名的夜店。大概七点左右有韩饭姊姊确认说他们会去M2,因为打到这有点累了,所以我这一段就大概列一下第二个夜生活的遭遇。


- Only GDTOP came with a huge group of fashionable boys, with some oldies (K-fans said it was Teddy and Kush, but I didn't see, so I'm just writing what they told me). Around 3 – 5 other friends were tall and good looking with celebrity aura, didn't know them
- 只有GD和TOP和一群很时尚的男生一起来(应该是指nuthang那一群),跟着的还有几个老人家(韩饭说是Teddy和Kush,但是我没有看到,所以她们说了啥我就写上来)。有三五个他们的朋友,很高很帅,散发明星的气息,但我不认识他们。



- That night, there were lots of underground rappers in M2. Koreans said the Cho guy was there, as well as the 2 supreme team guys, and I THINK I saw Simone? Was it Simone or Simon? I think I saw him. He's good looking in person. No interaction with YG fam though.
- 当晚有很多地下饶舌歌手在M2。韩饭说还有Supreme Team的2个成员,我好像有看到Simon D?他本人很帅,但是和YG的人完全没有交集。
- GDTOP was in a public space group table, not a VIP room. It must be a VIP table because they were being served, they didn't order in the bar
- GDTOP 在公共区的一张大桌子,不是贵宾室。那应该是一个贵宾席,因为他们不用起身到吧台点酒,会有人去服务他们。


- Lots of smoking and drinking
- 他们喝了很多酒,抽了很多菸。


- Lots of GDTOP moments, THEY ARE CLOSE, CLOSE, CLOSE
- 挺多GDTOP一起的瞬间,他们很亲,很亲,很亲。


- HOLY MOLY GDRAGON WAS GETTING HOT AND SEXY WITH THIS KOREAN GIRL WITH A FOREIGN MIX. NAUGHTY! No kissing, just dancing and lots of whispering and flirting.
- GD和一个超火辣的混血正妹非常火辣和性感地一起。太顽皮了。没有接吻,就是共舞还有很多耳语和调情。


- TOP loved beer. He drank beer most of the time
- TOP很爱啤酒,他大部分的时候都喝啤酒。


- One of their fashionable friend was making out with a girl.
- 他们的帅朋友中的一人和一个女生直接在舌吻。


- Their table requested some English songs, and the DJ dedicated it to them and they all went WOOOOOH and toasted and drank like they were in a contest. I'm telling you TOP was wasted!
- 他们那一桌点了一些英文歌,DJ说是献给他们的,他们就很HIGH的WOOH然后敬酒,像是在比赛一样地喝。不夸张,TOP真的喝废来着!


- GDTOP dancing in the middle with girls and boys, they were really in with the party crowd.

- GDTOP 再舞池中央和男男女女一起跳舞,完全融入派对人群。


We left early this time because M2 was so jampacked and reeked of alcohol and cigarette that I somehow got sick towards the end. The music was not base-heavy, but percussion heavy so I was so deaf by 2am. So yeah. When we left, GD was still with girls, TOP in the dancefloor, and their group still enjoying the night scene.
我们这次很早就离开,因为M2真的太挤,而且烟酒味重到让我不舒服。(略)当我们离开的时候,GD还是和一群妹子一起,TOP在舞池里,他们一群人依旧享受着夜生活。

It was like a dream. I didn't expect to actually be able to see all the boys, and more so Gdragon, in the flesh. Anyway. I'm tired and there are still lots of things to be said.
(略)

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-27 09:19:00 +0800 CST  
Insider Information from Korean VIPS
(more on GD because those Korean fans, like mostKoreans, are G-dragon biased)
‧韩饭内部消息篇
(大部分都是关於GD的,因为大部分的韩饭好像都是GD本命)


* G-dragon is very close to his family. He boughta car for his sister, and bought an apartment-for-rent business for his parents(who are both really old) . GD also renovated their house in Seoul and boughtproperties in Apkujeong and Itaewon.
- G-dragon和他的家人很亲,他买了一辆车给他姊,还有一栋公寓出租生意给他父母(他父母年纪都非常大了)〔我觉得这里指的应该就是Dolce Vita吧〕。他还重新装潢了他们首尔的家,在狭鸥亭还有黎泰院都有置产。


* GD is religious. He always went to church withhis family, but lately he went alone or with friends.
- GD对宗教很虔诚,他过去总是和家人一起上教堂,但是最近大多是和朋友一起或自己一个人去。


* GD is a ladies' man. In night scenes, GD isoften scene with a large group of girls, and he is very friendly towards them.
- GD是个很招女孩子的男人,在夜店时常可以看到他和很大群的女生一起,并且对她们都很友善。



* GD smokes and drinks very openly, nodiscretion.
- GD对於抽菸喝酒都很公开,不带掩饰的。
* GD has a prince personality.HE IS COLD and RESERVED, but NOT rude or proud. Korean fans said they grew tolove the seemingly arrogant persona of GD, but they said when he is in theright mood, he is a touchy idol (don't get what “touchy” means).
- GD是王子性格,他很冷淡很内敛,但是不是无礼或是自大。韩饭说他们渐渐爱上他这种带点傲气的个性,但是他们也说,只要他心情对了,他会是个很touchy的人。


* GD has a large group of friends who are allextremely good looking and rich
- GD有一大群非常有钱也非常帅的朋友。


* GD has 3 cars, 2 often seen, 1 only in display
- GD一共有三辆车,两辆很常出现,另外一辆是收藏。


* GD is very close with Bom and CL of 2NE1, hewas once sighted shopping with Park Bom, and having ice cream with CL.
- GD和CL还有BOM很亲近,有一次被看到他和BOM一起逛街,和CL一起吃冰淇淋。

* GD is also very close with Yang Hyunsuk. Theyshare an older brother-younger brother relationship. G-dragon once gifted YGE avery expensive watch.

- GD和杨贤硕社长也很亲近,像是亲兄弟一样。他送给社长一个很贵的手表过。
* GD is known to be close to Yoobin of WG andNicole of Kara. BoA and GD are also friends. GD was often sighted with Tiffany,Sooyoung, Hyoyeon and some other men in NB Apkujeong.
- GD和Wonder Girls的俞斌还有Kara的妮可很熟。BoA和他也是朋友。GD常常被看到和Tiffany,秀英,孝渊还有其他一些男人一起在狭鸥亭的NB。
* GD and Yuri are casual friends.
- GD和Yuri算是普通朋友。
* GD was once sighted with Beast's Junhyung andHyunseung in Myeongdong district.
GD有一次被看到和Beast的龙俊亨和贤圣在明洞那边
* GD didn't finish college, but was once enrolledin Kyunghee majoring in classical music. He dropped out even before schoolstarted. This was after he dropped out with Dae in their first university.
(略)
* GD has no formal music education, but he andTeddy enrolled in online American universities
- GD没有接受过正统的音乐教育,但是他和Teddy有透过网路在一所美国大学上远端课程。


* TOP is a mama's boy. He bought 2 villas forhimself and his family. His dad is a military officer who earns a lot. Choifamily is very rich. TOP's sister owns a series of clothing businesses.
* TOP has had 2 cars but never renewed hislicense.
* TOP and GD almost have the same set of friends,but he has his own Dongguk friends, who are mostly guys.
* Unlike GD, TOP is not too close with girls, butwhen he gets serious, he is. There were sightings of TOP with just one girl inmultiple night scenes. He's had 5 girls so far according to stalker information
* TOP loves shopping around in public places
* TOP is close with Heechul and Siwon of SuJu,Nich of 2PM, Jaejoong, Hyungjoon, Yunho and Hyunseung.
* TOP is very very close to Park Bom, Gummy, ParkHanbyul, the girl from SG, and the partner of Junpyo. He also shares a relativecloseness to the dancers of YGE.
* Taeyang is religious. He is always in church.
* Taeyang always dances. He has a undergrounddance team in Kangnam, and is a part of a regular dance crowd in all NoisyBasement clubs.
* Taeyang is friends with all Brown-eyed girlmembers, Lee Hyori, Siwon of Super Junior, Sooyoung, Tiffany, andHyoyeon.
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TOP和太阳部分就不翻译了。。。。想看的大家应该不难找到
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* Sighted with Yuri and Seungri in Chungangdistrict
太阳有一次被看到和yuri及胜利一起在中央大学附近
* Seungri is rich. He owns a house and businessesin Gwangju. Aside from the school, he also owns a restaurant in the province.He is a businessman.
- 胜利很有钱。他在光州有一栋别墅还有一些生意。除了学院生意以外,他还在当地有间餐厅,他是个生意人。


* Seungri is really really really close with GooHara and IU. He has been sighted with these two girls multiple times. He isespecially often shopping with Hara.
- 胜利和具荷拉还有IU感情非常好。他被看到和他们一起很多次了,尤其是常常被看到和具荷拉一起逛街。


* Seungri is always in a group date withuniversity friends, including Yuri. He and Yuri are really close inside andoutside classroom. However, during the last semester there have been nosightings of Seungri and Yuri together, unlike before.
- 胜利总是和大学里的一夥人在一起活动,包括Yuri,不管事课堂上或是教室外他们都很常在一起。但是上个学期,他们完全没有被看到在一起玩,不像以前一样。


* IU, Seungri, and Thunder are trios who alwayseat and dine out together.
- IU,胜利和天动是常一起外出和吃饭的三人行。


* Seungri has had 2 idol girl friends.
- 胜利有过两个idol女友。


* Daesung is very religious and quiet. He has theleast public sightings from all members. He is very close to his churchfriends.
* Daesung has had 2 cars, both audis. He hasn'tfinished university but went more often than GD
* Dae has a house and 1 apartment villa inApkujeong.
* Dae is almost NEVER seen in bars and clubs. Hedoesn't usually go on a night out.
* Dae is a volunteer in Church, and has beenmostly sighted in outreach and charity programs in schools, communities, andother churches.
* Dae is also very close with producers anddirectors for SBS and MBC.
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* In Big Bang, GDTOP is seemingly the closestbecause they are often seen together in night scenes and events, and also inshopping.

- 在Big Bang中,GD和TOP看起来是最亲近的,因为他们常常被看到一起在夜店或是活动(这里一般是指一些私人派对等,不是普通意味的纯活动),还有一起逛街。


* GD and Seungri are usually seen eating out
- GD和胜利常被看到一起外出用餐。


* GD and Bae are only seen in YGE and bars.
- GD和永裴只在YG大楼和酒吧看到在一起




* YB and Dae are close because of church, andthey also shop and eat together.
太阳和大声因为教堂很亲,常被看到一起逛街或吃饭
* Teddy and Kush are often seen with Tae and TOP.
- Teddy和Kush常和太阳还有TOP在一起。
* During concerts, Taeyang and Seungri wouldalways greet some fans in the backstage.
- 在演唱会上,太阳和胜利总是会和后台的歌迷打招呼。
* In live broadcasts, Seungri would usually giveout freebies for VIPS.
- 在现场表演,胜利种是会丢给VIP一些免费的东西。
* Korean fans said that inKorea, YGE is hardcore. I said that some international fans think of YGE astrying hard and poser, but they said that in the underground scene, NB and YGis notorious. They even said that “NB defines Seoul's night life. YG Entertainment, its artists and itsmusic is hardcore.” Apparently,almost all “underground idolrappers” have once startedtheir gigs in NB1, NB2, and NB Gangnam.
- 韩饭说YGE在韩国真的很屌。我跟他们说有一些海外饭觉得YGE,只是在模仿和装样,但是他们说在韩国地下音乐界,NB和YG很著名。他们甚至说,NB代表了首尔夜生活,YG旗下的歌手和音乐才是硬道理。韩国几乎所有的地下偶像饶舌歌手都曾经在NB1,NB2还有江南的NB表演过。
* VIP, as a fandom, isn't united. They said thatthey act mostly on their own, or in small groups, unlike SM fans who supportsin bulk.
* Big Bang has lost current popularity, but theyare a household name in South Korea. Seoul's rich and elite, THEIR WORDS NOTMINE, only know Big Bang when you ask them about Korean singers.
* In 2008, even the poor and the middle classliked Big Bang. But BB's difference from other popular idols is that you canalso make rich socialites buy their albums without shame. Korean VIPS pridethemselves that Big Bang transcends the income inequality of fans andsupporters.
* Korean VIPS said that their fandom isrelatively smaller and less active than other fandoms, so most of BB sales aredivided from fandom and casual fans. South Korea supports Big Bang. And mostespecially, G-Dragon.
* Korean VIPS said that Big Bang are unlike otheridols. They are not showy with fans, they don't do fan meets, YGE has longforgotten about organizing the official fandom, but multitudes of VIPS stillstick to Big Bang in the quiet.
Okay, I wrote out pretty much all I took note ofand remember. These are all first hand experiences and insider information fromKorean VIPs/stalker fans. This took me all night to make so I hope you guysappreciate it. Now I know I may come of as too know-it-all, but I just gotlucky in meeting hardcore Korean Big Bang fans. Thank you. BIG BANG IS LOVE!
(上略)

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-27 09:46:00 +0800 CST  
楼主的一些感想:
嘛,其实看这个大家可能没有很多龙tory感,甚至还会觉得GTOP听起来比较亲,但楼主是从这里开始觉得更了解龙哥和胜利,也更确信了龙tory是不太一样的,当然,这个可能只是比较好的诠释了他们那段时间的状态,而这几年这么多事,肯定相处的方式也不一样了。
其实龙哥是个招人也会招人的人,我想追了他这么多年的人应该都看的出来,他是真的非常懂怎么和女孩子说话才能又自然亲切,又不突兀,又让人心动。胜利在这方面不如他,基本就是赤果果的去调戏妹子,不吃那套的难免就会烦他。像是CL就很不买他那套,总是一脸嫌弃。
所以对于他在夜店妹子扎堆,其实也不觉得很奇怪,毕竟他也没做什么过火的,逢场作戏的调情其实也是种乐子,好多时候去夜店追求的就是这wild and young的气氛。至于胜利,其实永裴哥最近说的他很喜欢夜店我是相信的,这货节目里自曝的家里装的那灯光就带着浓烈的club感,有话要说的hard remix还是自己做的(完全是euro club beats的风格,那种编曲其实很不容易),而且goshow后记有说大声过去不喜欢夜店但有一次胜利带他去还放了自己做的remix碟,直接让他发现新世界了。但从这篇后记也看的出来,这货主要是去玩的,他是真的喜欢club风格的音乐,12还是13年mama有一个饭拍里,只要是类似house beat的歌曲出来这家伙就开始自high跟着节奏晃。龙哥的小伙伴ben baller有一次还发推谢谢过他的招待,貌似这货自己也有插手些夜店生意,或者是认识几个老板。不过这里扯远了,我们拉回来说龙tory的不同圈子。
其实对于龙哥和胜利不完全混同一个夜店圈而且朋友圈也不太一样这件事,我觉得挺正常的,这里好多内线消息都看的出来,龙哥那圈说白了是富二代。不管top哥那条家里很富是不是真的,其实八nuthang那堆就很容易看出来了,像是羊羹上的central st martin就是设计学院里的贵族学校,其实韩国国情和我们挺像的,一般是家里富贵的才会让孩子去留洋念设计系还在这种美术学院。这也是为什么gd和top两个人平时喜好最相近,因为两个人都是b格满点的二代,混的也是那个圈子,自然追求的也是些非常高大上的艺术。无论是top喜欢的玩偶收集、家具收集,还是龙哥天天刷的设计师、艺术家、展览,那都是出身富贵塑造的倾向。胜利君则和他们完全不一样,他是个生意人,关注的东西很实际,是经济是投资是资产管理,喜欢穿的也是一本正经的西装,说白了,他是典型的富一代,还没有那个闲暇去追求更虚的东西。
至于gtop夜店共欢和一起买东西,我只想说,那说明他们真的是传统意义上的好哥们或者某种情况下也可以算好闺蜜。因为这两个都是你不用怎么说话也可以做的事,一起做这些事,只能说明他们品味合拍、烟酒合拍。其实这两个人老在一起,真的和他们烟瘾脱不开,尼古丁上瘾就是这么绝望的事情。那再来说龙tory啦,其实我觉得最萌的就是他们经常被看到一起去吃饭,这是个多么生活化的活动。比起和贝贝哥的酒吧和公司,还有top哥的夜店、派对和逛街,这两个玩得很疯的人却选择了所有相处方式里最私人的。这从12年他们两个一起去釜山也可以看出来,他们那几年是那种像恋人又像亲人的处法。
而且虽然两个人圈子完全不一样,其实能搭上线的地方却很多,甚至龙哥圈子里的人胜利也都很熟,胜利圈子里的人龙哥也都看起来不错,大概是他们两个总归是亲的。不然胜利应该很难和nuthang还有龙哥这几年走的近的harry kim/ben baller等等那么熟。
像是龙哥的GDTV里有一期胜利去探班,和他很亲地纠缠的之前还调侃他的就是nuthang里比较低调的一员,说明私底下他们都认识。


而harry kim和胜利的聊天还有benballer爆料也直接说明了,好多party其实胜利都在,只是他没有po私生活照片的习惯而已。



还有最近那个龙哥刷inst的party,看起来胜利也是在的。harry kim发和胜利合照的tweet里说了是某个周日照的,而龙哥这个pool party就是6/15那个周日,而且两张图里都有的几个人衣服都一样。


更别说这两个人各自的好“闺蜜”秀赫和具荷拉还一起游日本来着……
所以别太担心他们好多时候看起来疏远了无交集,我觉得他们这些年下来,早就是不可拆分的亲人,不管是以什么样的方式存在在彼此生活里。
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顺带再补张超人归来的图,那个沙发上的真的是胜利,他们私底下其实真的挺经常两个人在一起的。。。


楼主闪了。。。。。

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-27 11:14:00 +0800 CST  


补张胜利和他的闺蜜图……真心0%暧昧气场……

楼主 rococo小A  发布于 2014-06-28 05:08:00 +0800 CST  

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